So I guess there isn't an online version that I could find. I will look for it around town. Looking at all of these translations gave me an idea. How about one for Bronies? It could be titled; Bronie Bible: Jesus is Magic. Might work...
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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
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My usual preference is the NRSV, but I also like the ESV; and for the Old Testament, I also utilize the JPS Tanakh translation."[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat's a good version for reading. Not for study.
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostYou say the ESV is not for study.
Did you write that knowing the companion website www.esvonline.org ?
There's a difference between "reading it" and "utilizing the study tools".The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostI hope this isn't too off-topic, but what would you say is a good version for study? I don't have an ESV, but I'm curious what you think.
If you really want to study -- use multiple translations from different ends of the 'functional equivalent' and 'formal equivalent' spectrum.
The words 'paraphrase' and 'literal' with regards to translation miscommunicate the reality of what is going on in translation. ALL translations by definition interpret and are imperfect. Different languages have different grammar, constructs, semantic ranges, etc -- so it is really a difficult task to translate -- especially given the fact that the Bible deals with ancient languages.
So get multiple translations and use them all. Versions such as NKJV, ESV, NIV, NASB, HCSB, NLT, are all good. Check out the book above if you want more info on choosing a translation.Last edited by phat8594; 02-25-2015, 04:57 PM.
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Each translation has features unique to it. The old English, the thee, thou and thine, are singular for the word "you." And ye, you and your are the plural. The advantage, don't need to know Greek or the Hebrew for singular pronouns.
The NKJV in the New Testament has notes, NU and M. NU, the N being Nestle-Aland Greek text reading, and U the United Bible Society reading. M the Majority Greek text reading. The common reading as found in the New Testament Greek manuscripts. Now also referred to as the Greek family 35 readings.
The KJV, ASV, NASB and the NKJV also use italicize words to show words provided by the translator that is not in the original language being translated. With most other translations you have know way of knowing without consulting the Greek or Hebrew, if you know how. Some translations use brackets [].Last edited by 37818; 02-25-2015, 10:15 PM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Even though I love the rich "...marvelous expression of the English language..." found in the KJV, I think it's becoming a demarcation line of, those that are KJVonlyist's, and those that basically "shun" it..."What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostIn their book “How To Read the Bible for All Its Worth,” Greek scholar Gordon Fee (AOG) and Hebrew scholar Doug Stuart (Baptist) give this advice concerning the KJV and it's contemporary version the New King James Version (NKJV):
Even though I love the rich "...marvelous expression of the English language..." found in the KJV, I think it's becoming a demarcation line of, those that are KJVonlyist's, and those that basically "shun" it...Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostI hope this isn't too off-topic, but what would you say is a good version for study? I don't have an ESV, but I'm curious what you think.
Study bibles inevitably introduce denominational slants, a good reason for avoiding them:
https://seeingclearly.wordpress.com/...v-study-bible/
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostDoug Stewart, as a Hebrew scholar, has no business opining on the New Testament text - and the NKJV footnotes the differences between the "Received Text", the Majority Text (which is essentially what the Greek Orthodox Church has been using all along), and the eclectic NU text which is preferred by most Protestant scholars today. And I disagree that the archaic way of speaking was the best feature of the KJV.
After all, Gordon Fee IS a Greek scholar.
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostIn their book “How To Read the Bible for All Its Worth,” Greek scholar Gordon Fee (AOG) and Hebrew scholar Doug Stuart (Baptist) give this advice concerning the KJV and it's contemporary version the New King James Version (NKJV):
Even though I love the rich "...marvelous expression of the English language..." found in the KJV, I think it's becoming a demarcation line of, those that are KJVonlyist's, and those that basically "shun" it..."Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
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Originally posted by Jesse View PostI hate that there is a line like that at all. I might not use the KJV, but there is no reason to think it is worthless. I would only shun the translations that are known to be truly faulty. Most all translations are worth reading."[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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Originally posted by phat8594 View PostAre you being sarcastic?
After all, Gordon Fee IS a Greek scholar.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View PostWhat do you mean by "known to be truly faulty?" I'm assuming that would include something like, say, the New World Translation, which uses the word "Jehovah" 237 times in the New Testament despite the fact that this word is never utilized in the Greek (amongst other questionable translation choices). However, the KJV's New Testament was based upon a tiny, incomplete, and likely inaccurate set of Greek manuscripts; I would certainly consider that to be "truly faulty" (though certainly not due to any intentional or deliberate drive of the translators).
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=nt+greek+family+35. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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