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While this area is for the discussion of these doctrines within historic Christianity, all theists interested in discussing these areas within the presuppositions of and respect for the Christian framework are welcome to participate here. This is not the area for debate between nontheists and theists, additionally, there may be some topics that within the Moderator's discretion fall so outside the bounds of mainstream evangelical doctrine that may be more appropriately placed within Comparative Religions 101 Nontheists seeking only theistic participation only in a manner that does not seek to undermine the faith of others are also welcome - but we ask that Moderator approval be obtained beforehand.
Atheists are welcome to discuss and debate these issues in the Apologetics 301 or General Theistics 101 forum without such restrictions. Theists who wish to discuss these issues outside the parameters of orthodox Christian doctrine are invited to Unorthodox Theology 201.
Remember, our forum rules apply here as well. If you haven't read them now would be a good time.
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Jesus didn't want to save everyone?
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostI recently came across something written by someone who has a divinity masters and is ordained.
No.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostWhy is he wrong?
That passage was before the mission given to the apostles to preach the good news to everyone. Until he had ascended Jesus was keeping a lid on things. I don't know why, but perhaps it was to prepare His Apostles and get them ready, perhaps it was a display of humility He wanted to teach them.
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostWasn't Jesus' divine identity supposed to be a secret until after the ascension? Otherwise Jesus would take all the honor like a infinite gravity well of holiness.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOne of my favorite commentators says that Jesus wanted his disciples to "hold off" on spreading the news because they didn't yet have the "whole story".If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostThey didn't figure it out until after the Resurrection, right?
Though they did figure out that something was going on when Jesus calmed the storm and treated it like a minor inconvenience. Though, I wonder how Jesus felt about His disciples becoming afraid of Him right after calming the storm? They probably should have let Jesus sleep. Maybe pray for the storm to stop? Except that might wake Jesus up also.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostPersonally, I think it was after that. I can just imagine them sitting around the supper table, and one of them has an "aha moment", slaps his forehead, and says, "HEY, you remember when He broke the bread and passed it around, and said 'this is my body'? -- THAT's what He meant!"
As I tell my Church members - we have the benefit of 2,000 years of hindsight - they, at the time, were "living history", and seeing it unfold bits and pieces at a time.
Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostWe also have the Holy Spirit, which the disciples didn't have until after Pentecost.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd the written Word!If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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2 Peter 3:8-10New International Version (NIV)
8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostJesus clearly tells his followers that the reason he is speaking in parables is so people will not be forgiven. Clearly, it is his intent that they be judged instead of forgiven."What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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