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While this area is for the discussion of these doctrines within historic Christianity, all theists interested in discussing these areas within the presuppositions of and respect for the Christian framework are welcome to participate here. This is not the area for debate between nontheists and theists, additionally, there may be some topics that within the Moderator's discretion fall so outside the bounds of mainstream evangelical doctrine that may be more appropriately placed within Comparative Religions 101 Nontheists seeking only theistic participation only in a manner that does not seek to undermine the faith of others are also welcome - but we ask that Moderator approval be obtained beforehand.
Atheists are welcome to discuss and debate these issues in the Apologetics 301 or General Theistics 101 forum without such restrictions. Theists who wish to discuss these issues outside the parameters of orthodox Christian doctrine are invited to Unorthodox Theology 201.
Remember, our forum rules apply here as well. If you haven't read them now would be a good time.
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Could Jesus Christ have saved us if He had only been human?
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BU, I urge you to open your eyes and confront the evidence we are presenting. You obviously recognize that we have a point here, which is why you keep avoiding our points and trying to talk around what we present by presenting what you think is a counter verse. You know all of the bible is true, not just one verse that you happen to choose at random that matches your own view. It all has to reconcile. You can't counter a verse that says Jesus is God by posting a verse that says he is a man. They both have to be true. You have to reconcile both and not ignore them.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostBU, I urge you to open your eyes and confront the evidence we are presenting. You obviously recognize that we have a point here, which is why you keep avoiding our points and trying to talk around what we present by presenting what you think is a counter verse. You know all of the bible is true, not just one verse that you happen to choose at random that matches your own view. It all has to reconcile. You can't counter a verse that says Jesus is God by posting a verse that says he is a man. They both have to be true. You have to reconcile both and not ignore them.
We have things in common.
Jesus is a divine being (a deity) just not an Almighty one.
BU
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Originally posted by Bibleuser View PostJesus is just as you say, god and man, one in heaven and one on earth.
We have things in common.
Jesus is a divine being (a deity) just not an Almighty one.
BU
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[B] The point is that Jehovah had no predecessor, that no god existed before him[/B], for he is eternal. There will be no god with the same likeness after Jehovah because he will always existYou are gods, and all of you are sons
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Originally posted by Bibleuser View Post[B] The point is that Jehovah had no predecessor, that no god existed before him[/B], for he is eternal. There will be no god with the same likeness after Jehovah because he will always existYou are gods, and all of you are sons
Gah! He is saying that Jesus IS GOD. If there is only one God and Jesus is in "the form of God" then HE IS GOD.
You really need to get a modern bible translation instead of the horrid JW version you use.
elohim can mean angel or judge in hebrew depending on the context, but the context in the Old Testament and New is that there is only ONE True God, Jehovah YHWH and no other. NONE. All other gods are false gods. And the NT never used "elohim" since it is written in greek. And it says in many placed directly that Jesus is GOD. not "A" God. Therefore Jesus is either the same God as Jehovah, or he is a false God and you should not follow him.
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Also Jehovah says he will not share his glory with anyone else:
Is. 42:8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my GLORY will I NOT GIVE ANOTHER
Yet Jesus shares his glory:
John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
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