In Acts 2:4, it is clear that women preached the gospel to unbelievers. The prohibition on women teaching is talking about teaching believers (in church). Women should leave that to men. But women can have a good ministry in getting people saved in the first place.
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Originally posted by Obsidian View PostIn Acts 2:4, it is clear that women preached the gospel to unbelievers. The prohibition on women teaching is talking about teaching believers (in church). Women should leave that to men. But women can have a good ministry in getting people saved in the first place.
In the cases of other women like Nympha and Lydia, there was no problem with them being pastors of house-churches. There was no problem with Junia being an apostle. There was no problem with Phoebe being a leader and deacon of the Cenchrean church, and the courier of the letter to the Romans, responsible for reading and explaining it to the congregation.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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The Bible certainly never mentions "Nympha" or Lydia being "pastors of house-churches," and it's a bit dubious whether there was even any person named Nympha at all.
1 Timothy 3:2-5
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; one that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (for if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
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Originally posted by Obsidian View PostThe Bible certainly never mentions "Nympha" or Lydia being "pastors of house-churches,"
and it's a bit dubious whether there was even any person named Nympha at all.
1 Timothy 3:2-5 (CEB)
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; one that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (for if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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John Piper takes this principle a lot further than even most conservatives. He thinks it's only okay for women to be civil engineers because the orders they would be giving in planning traffic would be ordering men on an impersonal, not personal, level. He implies police officer is a vocation that women can't do.
http://www.desiringgod.org/interview...olice-officers"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Obsidian View Post@NorrinRadd
Well if you don't mind re-writing the text of God's word then I guess you can have female pastors.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by Obsidian View PostThe parts where you change "wife/woman" to "spouse,"...
... and "rule" to "manage."
More interestingly, how do you feel about the fact that in Rom. 16, a form of the same word is used to describe Phoebe?Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by NorrinRaddSince, contrary to the implications of your translation, there are actually zero male pronouns in the passage, the gender-inclusive "spouse" is reasonable.
Interesting insight into your mindset. Does it matter to you that the same word is translated "engage" in Tit. 3:8 and 3:14? Does it matter to you that BDAG cites "manage" as a legitimate meaning of "proistemi"; that Vine lists "attend to", and that Liddell/Scott include "govern, direct, manage" as meanings of the word?
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Originally posted by Obsidian View PostDumb argument. It specifically says the words "man," and "woman" or "wife." A woman pastor doesn't have a wife -- unless you want to go to the Methodist church, where they do that now.
It specifically refers to having children in subjection. Hence, clearly the meaning is to "rule."Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostThat is because the expression your translation renders as "husband of one wife" is literally "one-woman man," and idiomatically "faithful husband" (usually) or "faithful spouse" (sometimes). Since, contrary to the implications of your translation, there are actually zero male pronouns in the passage, the gender-inclusive "spouse" is reasonable.
Interesting insight into your mindset. Does it matter to you that the same word is translated "engage" in Tit. 3:8 and 3:14? Does it matter to you that BDAG cites "manage" as a legitimate meaning of "proistemi"; that Vine lists "attend to", and that Liddell/Scott include "govern, direct, manage" as meanings of the word?
More interestingly, how do you feel about the fact that in Rom. 16, a form of the same word is used to describe Phoebe?
And just to show what a worry some theological dictionaries can be ...διάκονος diakonos (d̮iy-a'-ko-nos) n.
1. an attendant, a servant.
2. (genitive case) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties).
3. (specially) a male Christian serving in a specific function and post (i.e. tending the widows and the poor, teaching, pastoring, etc).Last edited by tabibito; 03-06-2017, 01:30 AM.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIt is scripture. But even in scripture every word is not a command from God. In the verses in question he use "I" showing that it is HIS way. Personal advice.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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