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Did Jesus have sexual desires?
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So according to Darfius, Sexual urges are sinful. I didn't read that ANYWHERE in Scripture in fact what I DID read was"And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. KJV
KJV 1 Corinthians 11:9
Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
Genesis 2:20
And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
Proverbs 18:22Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD.Genesis 2:24
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
George Bernard Shaw
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI think it might be a matter of creating a pot hole and then him trying to dig himself out and ending up making the hole deeper. He keeps having to resort to insults and misreadings of people's points and posts and making false accusations, all to just keep from saying "oh, I understand what you mean now, I was wrong. Carry on"
Instead he keeps trying to characterize us as claiming Jesus was a sexual deviant when we are just pointing out that Jesus was 100% human and not some robot.A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
George Bernard Shaw
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostOK what exactly are you even trying to say here? That Adam did not have sexual attraction for Eve? That he didn't lust her because he didn't have clothes? I am at a loss here Darf. Please explain.
Over time the two learned each others thoughts and ways. Learned to know each other. This only deepened their love for one another and now from smiles and grasps of the hand, their love sought a deeper mode of expression, their bodies sought a union which their souls already felt. And so they came together as man and woman, and the man cherished what made her a woman and the woman cherished what made him a man, but never did they think that the one they cherished was only their body. And certainly they never could have conceived of making love with someone they did not know as they knew one another. That would not even be making love. That could not even be desired.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostThe op was actually a fair and legitimate question.
"Fire is catching. If we burn, you burn with us!"
"I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to stay here and cause all kinds of trouble."
Katniss Everdeen
Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast.
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Originally posted by Darfius View PostThe first time Adam had awoken to see a new face, it had been the face of his father, the first face he had ever seen, and up to then by far the most beautiful. But now, after awakening from a deep sleep, he saw before him a face which rivaled the beauty of his father's. She--for he knew from his naming of the animals that he was male and she female--was still sleeping, and he praised his father for giving him such beauty as he took in her form. For he also knew that she was his. His father had seen his look of confusion after he had finished naming the pairs of animals brought before him. Why was he among all of his father's creatures made without a pair? His father knew his thoughts as always and before he could voice his concern, said, "It is not good for man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." Then He had led Adam to this part of the garden and placed him into the sleep he had just awoken from. This creature before him looked like him and did not. She had both a symmetry and lack of symmetry that he found captivating. She was smaller, but to him altogether lovelier. As he looked down at her with love filled eyes, hers opened to look into his. Seeing his love for her awakened her love and she only smiled as he took her hand and led her to his father and her father.
Over time the two learned each others thoughts and ways. Learned to know each other. This only deepened their love for one another and now from smiles and grasps of the hand, their love sought a deeper mode of expression, their bodies sought a union which their souls already felt. And so they came together as man and woman, and the man cherished what made her a woman and the woman cherished what made him a man, but never did they think that the one they cherished was only their body. And certainly they never could have conceived of making love with someone they did not know as they knew one another. That would not even be making love. That could not even be desired.A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
George Bernard Shaw
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Originally posted by Catholicity View PostI didn't read that in the Bible. Did you make that up?
"Fire is catching. If we burn, you burn with us!"
"I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to stay here and cause all kinds of trouble."
Katniss Everdeen
Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast.
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Originally posted by Catholicity View PostI didn't read that in the Bible. Did you make that up?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Darfius View PostThe first time Adam had awoken to see a new face, it had been the face of his father, the first face he had ever seen, and up to then by far the most beautiful. But now, after awakening from a deep sleep, he saw before him a face which rivaled the beauty of his father's. She--for he knew from his naming of the animals that he was male and she female--was still sleeping, and he praised his father for giving him such beauty as he took in her form. For he also knew that she was his. His father had seen his look of confusion after he had finished naming the pairs of animals brought before him. Why was he among all of his father's creatures made without a pair? His father knew his thoughts as always and before he could voice his concern, said, "It is not good for man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." Then He had led Adam to this part of the garden and placed him into the sleep he had just awoken from. This creature before him looked like him and did not. She had both a symmetry and lack of symmetry that he found captivating. She was smaller, but to him altogether lovelier. As he looked down at her with love filled eyes, hers opened to look into his. Seeing his love for her awakened her love and she only smiled as he took her hand and led her to his father and her father.
Over time the two learned each others thoughts and ways. Learned to know each other. This only deepened their love for one another and now from smiles and grasps of the hand, their love sought a deeper mode of expression, their bodies sought a union which their souls already felt. And so they came together as man and woman, and the man cherished what made her a woman and the woman cherished what made him a man, but never did they think that the one they cherished was only their body. And certainly they never could have conceived of making love with someone they did not know as they knew one another. That would not even be making love. That could not even be desired.
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Originally posted by Darfius View PostThe first time Adam had awoken to see a new face, it had been the face of his father, the first face he had ever seen, and up to then by far the most beautiful. But now, after awakening from a deep sleep, he saw before him a face which rivaled the beauty of his father's. She--for he knew from his naming of the animals that he was male and she female--was still sleeping, and he praised his father for giving him such beauty as he took in her form. For he also knew that she was his. His father had seen his look of confusion after he had finished naming the pairs of animals brought before him. Why was he among all of his father's creatures made without a pair? His father knew his thoughts as always and before he could voice his concern, said, "It is not good for man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." Then He had led Adam to this part of the garden and placed him into the sleep he had just awoken from. This creature before him looked like him and did not. She had both a symmetry and lack of symmetry that he found captivating. She was smaller, but to him altogether lovelier. As he looked down at her with love filled eyes, hers opened to look into his. Seeing his love for her awakened her love and she only smiled as he took her hand and led her to his father and her father.
Over time the two learned each others thoughts and ways. Learned to know each other. This only deepened their love for one another and now from smiles and grasps of the hand, their love sought a deeper mode of expression, their bodies sought a union which their souls already felt. And so they came together as man and woman, and the man cherished what made her a woman and the woman cherished what made him a man, but never did they think that the one they cherished was only their body. And certainly they never could have conceived of making love with someone they did not know as they knew one another. That would not even be making love. That could not even be desired.
"Fire is catching. If we burn, you burn with us!"
"I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to stay here and cause all kinds of trouble."
Katniss Everdeen
Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostColons carry poop. Therefore colons are sinful.
"Fire is catching. If we burn, you burn with us!"
"I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to stay here and cause all kinds of trouble."
Katniss Everdeen
Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast.
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