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While this area is for the discussion of these doctrines within historic Christianity, all theists interested in discussing these areas within the presuppositions of and respect for the Christian framework are welcome to participate here. This is not the area for debate between nontheists and theists, additionally, there may be some topics that within the Moderator's discretion fall so outside the bounds of mainstream evangelical doctrine that may be more appropriately placed within Comparative Religions 101 Nontheists seeking only theistic participation only in a manner that does not seek to undermine the faith of others are also welcome - but we ask that Moderator approval be obtained beforehand.
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Did Jesus have sexual desires?
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
the problem at it's root is that you think having sexual desire is evil in itself. It is NOT. God gave us sexual desires and it is GOOD. misusing that desire to lust after another, or to actually act on that desire with someone you are not married to is sinful. The bible makes that clear. but say you are married. having those same sexual desires for your spouse and ACTING on them is not a sin. So the desire is not sinful, but actions arising from those desires CAN be in certain circumstances.
sexual desire at it's basic is an attraction to another person of the opposite sex, which drives a person to seek out a relationship with someone of the opposite sex. it is a basic drive built into human beings unless there is something wrong with them, like having hormone deficiency. Another word for sexual desire is Libido. it is completely natural and good. God designed us that way.
Lust is a misuse of that desire to have unbridled fantasies about another. it is a matter of degree. it like the difference between hunger and craving. rather than having a healthy attraction to someone, you covet them.
Jesus could have natural sexual desires and temptations and not lust after a woman or even act on the normal desires.
you are turning Jesus into someone who is not even human. It is as bad as what was mentioned earlier about muslims claiming if Jesus had bowel movements he could not be God. well guess what? Jesus was fully human. He had all the emotions we have and all of the natural functions we have. He pooped and wiped his butt. He peed. He got hungry. He got sad. He got mad. He had sexual desires.
God created Adam and Eve naked. They did not know they were naked. Do you think it is possible to "desire" something you do not even acknowledge? I.e., nakedness? And yet they were still capable of lovemaking and indeed commanded to do so. Ah, but that's it, they would have been making love and not merely having sex. Adam "knew" his wife. Clearly what we call "sex" has changed dramatically from what God intended it to be, as have our "sexual desires", except in those rare instances, usually in Christian marriages, where a man and woman love each other as God intended.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postthere you are wrong. as a man gets older he loses his libido as his testosterone drops. that is why doctors do testosterone replacement therapy.
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Originally posted by Darfius View PostI am an alpha male
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Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast.
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostIt looks to me as though Darfius is flirting with heresy on this topic.
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Is it possible that Jesus never married because He never felt the desire to? That He never "burned?" That He wasn't attracted to His "daughters?"
Nah, that's too foreign a concept to people who think you can wanna have sex, • Edited by a Moderator •and yet not be lusting.
Last edited by Bill the Cat; 05-15-2016, 06:53 PM.
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Originally posted by thewriteranon View PostQuoting for posterityIf it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Darfius View PostIs it possible that Jesus never married because He never felt the desire to? That He never "burned?" That He wasn't attracted to His "daughters?"
Nah, that's too foreign a concept to people who think you can wanna have sex, • Edited by a Moderator • and yet not be lusting.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhile claiming "I am not a sex fiend", you sure seem to have a rather perverse way of dealing with the subject of procreation. Are you always this disgustingly crass?
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Originally posted by Darfius View PostRemember when Elijah suggested that Baal was on the toilet? How crass. Now be a dear and address the actual argument, please.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNo comparison whatsoever. You are like a Junior High boy trying to see things in an entirely crass way.
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Originally posted by Darfius View PostI didn't know there was a classy way of talking about erections. Particularly when Sparky was the one claiming Jesus had them. But don't let me get in the way of your false indignation in lieu of an actual argument.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Darfius View PostYou are confusing correlation with causality. I am an alpha male with testosterone coursing through my body, but I am not a sex fiend.
I'm always still in trouble again
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostGenerally, those who are don't find it necessary to boast about it.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Darfius View PostBy the way, I would love to hear the name of the heresy I am "flirting" with.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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