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While this area is for the discussion of these doctrines within historic Christianity, all theists interested in discussing these areas within the presuppositions of and respect for the Christian framework are welcome to participate here. This is not the area for debate between nontheists and theists, additionally, there may be some topics that within the Moderator's discretion fall so outside the bounds of mainstream evangelical doctrine that may be more appropriately placed within Comparative Religions 101 Nontheists seeking only theistic participation only in a manner that does not seek to undermine the faith of others are also welcome - but we ask that Moderator approval be obtained beforehand.
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Did Jesus have sexual desires?
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אָמַר לוֹ יֵשׁוּעַ: אֲנִי הַדֶּרֶךְ וְהָאֱמֶת וְהַחַיִּים. אֵין אִישׁ בָּא אֶל הָאָב אֶלָּא דַּרְכִּי✡✡
כֻּלָּ֨נוּ֙ כַּצֹּ֣אן תָּעִ֔ינוּ אִ֥ישׁ לְדַרְכֹּ֖ו פָּנִ֑ינוּ וַֽיהוָה֙ הִפְגִּ֣יעַ בֹּ֔ו אֵ֖ת עֲוֹ֥ן כֻּלָּֽנוּ✡ "We all, like sheep, went astray; we turned, each one, to his own way; yet HASHEM laid on him the guilt of all of us" - Yesha'yahu 53:6 ✡
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Originally posted by thewriteranon View PostWhat in the world does that have to do with the title question
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Originally posted by Y'hoshua View PostThe "argument" is usually derisively framed: "Our God is gloriously exalted in the heavens. Your 'god' messed his diapers"
Thanks, Y'The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Darfius View PostDo you speaka the English? Waste someone else's time with feigned ignorance. If you don't like the conclusions which my questions infer, then either show them to be false or change what you like. Supressing a known truth is for pagans, not Christians.Last edited by thewriteranon; 05-13-2016, 06:41 AM.
"Fire is catching. If we burn, you burn with us!"
"I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to stay here and cause all kinds of trouble."
Katniss Everdeen
Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast.
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Originally posted by Darfius View PostDo you speaka the English? Waste someone else's time with feigned ignorance. If you don't like the conclusions which my questions infer, then either show them to be false or change what you like. Supressing a known truth is for pagans, not Christians.
so you are intimating that if Jesus felt sexual desires he was a pedophile? Really?
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postso you are intimating that if Jesus felt sexual desires he was a pedophile? Really?
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Originally posted by Darfius View PostA pedophile feels sexual desire towards unconsenting children, so no. I am saying it would be more similar to a father feeling sexual desire towards his adult daughter. Jesus even referred to a woman at least as old as Him as "Daughter", so it may be time to trade in your unwarranted incredulity for some reasoned interpreting of God's word and some good old-fashioned discernment.
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While I think it was possible that Our Lord had sexual desires, I happen to think that his body was so completely in submission to His will, that He could will those desires to go away and not be bothered by them.
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Sexual temptation is one of the most common and basic male temptations - and females too. If Jesus truly was tempted the way humans are, then yes, he had sexual desires/temptations, but he did not sin. He did not look at women with lust.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSexual temptation is one of the most common and basic male temptations - and females too. If Jesus truly was tempted the way humans are, then yes, he had sexual desires/temptations, but he did not sin. He did not look at women with lust.
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By the way, the argument that Jesus had to experience the gamut of temptations in all human experience to be "tempted as we are" would necessarily mean that the thought of sacrificing children on an altar to Baal once entered His mind as something attractive but He "quickly perished the thought." Stop trying to bring the Lord down to your level and try harder to get to where He is.
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Originally posted by Darfius View PostWhile you are doublespeaking, please explain how a man can feel sexual desire without lusting. Was it a particularly well carved chair that turned Him on?
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Originally posted by Darfius View PostBy the way, the argument that Jesus had to experience the gamut of temptations in all human experience to be "tempted as we are" would necessarily mean that the thought of sacrificing children on an altar to Baal once entered His mind as something attractive but He "quickly perished the thought." Stop trying to bring the Lord down to your level and try harder to get to where He is.
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God gave us sexual desires. Without them we would not even seek out a mate. The problem is when we misuse our desires and they turn into fantasies and lusts, or even into actions like watching porn, or going to strip clubs, or objectifying women.Last edited by Sparko; 05-13-2016, 03:08 PM.
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Originally posted by Darfius View PostBy the way, the argument that Jesus had to experience the gamut of temptations in all human experience to be "tempted as we are" would necessarily mean that the thought of sacrificing children on an altar to Baal once entered His mind as something attractive but He "quickly perished the thought." Stop trying to bring the Lord down to your level and try harder to get to where He is.
I'll even say it backwards
wowThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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