Does preterism lead to atheism?

[Teallaura]

You're not included in that list. You're a pretty cool chap.

Although I have noticed that some fundamentalist Christians on TWeb (who are generally futurists) tend to be more sexist then those not in that camp. I'm not saying that all futurists are sexists, but I think they have a higher percentage of people who believe women to be lesser, probably because they are a bigger and more conservative then the other groups.

I suspect you are mistaken here. A lot of futurists are also compatibilists (sp) which would come off as sexist at times.

Personally, I'm a 'I'llfindoutwhenHegetshereist' - I don't think any major school of eschatology gets it perfect and I strongly suspect that's God's intention. What is perfectly plain to us in terms of the prophesies Jesus fulfilled were not so clear to the ancient Hebrews, hence so much confusion when Jesus did come and so many who didn't recognize Him for Who He is. This is why I am leery of any view of the Second Coming that gives it a definite date in relation to other events.

[eschaton]

Sorry. My bad.

http://unpreterist.blogspot.com/2013...ee-warren.html

However, the original link applies 1000% to partial as well as full preterism.

http://unpreterist.blogspot.com/2014...onclusion.html

Here is what Roderick actually says.

Talbot's radical Clarkianism undermined the approach toward refuting Full Preterism and has allowed the Full Preterist to rightly point out the hypocritically convoluted nature of "Partial-Preterism". This is not necessary a bad thing, since I believe Partial-Preterism should be the first to fall.

[Faber]

Those crackpots who set dates for the Lord's return and end up creating cults, were any of them preterist?

[Irate Canadian]

I suspect you are mistaken here. A lot of futurists are also compatibilists (sp) which would come off as sexist at times.

That makes sense actually....

Personally, I'm a 'I'llfindoutwhenHegetshereist' - I don't think any major school of eschatology gets it perfect and I strongly suspect that's God's intention. What is perfectly plain to us in terms of the prophesies Jesus fulfilled were not so clear to the ancient Hebrews, hence so much confusion when Jesus did come and so many who didn't recognize Him for Who He is. This is why I am leery of any view of the Second Coming that gives it a definite date in relation to other events.

Personally, I agree with you. I don't think one camp has it entirely right. While I was a preterist before, now I don't really care about when revelations will take place. Rather then focusing on the end times, I think it is more worthy on doing what Christ told us to do.

[seanD]

Those crackpots who set dates for the Lord's return and end up creating cults, were any of them preterist?

I don't think this is really a relevant matter in light of the bigger picture of ultimate consequences. If futurism is wrong, then it's a false doctrine regardless. So even futurists that don't set specific dates of the parousia are propagating a false doctrine. If preterism is wrong, then it doesn't matter if this view has never been part of any end time date setting cult because the view is a false doctrine regardless.

[seanD]

I think it is more worthy on doing what Christ told us to do.

That's what futurists believe they're doing...

Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door.

He also gives a warning about not understanding what's coming until it was too late such as those in the days of Noah.

[One Bad Pig]

Here is what Roderick actually says.

Thanks. I reserve the right to disagree with Roderick's conclusions; IMO his arguments are poorly stated. He clearly doesn't like Dee Dee, which seems to be good enough reason for you to agree with him.

[Pentecost]

Could you point me to evidence that Roderick E. has, in fact, apostasized?

No sir, I don't know who he is, other than what I've read in this thread. Unless I misread, he claimed to be a Christian for 15 years, and now calls himself an atheist. If that is true, then yes, it seems he did apostacize.

[One Bad Pig]

No sir, I don't know who he is, other than what I've read in this thread. Unless I misread, he claimed to be a Christian for 15 years, and now calls himself an atheist. If that is true, then yes, it seems he did apostacize.

I'm not seeing it. Can you provide me a quote?

[37818]

No sir, I don't know who he is, other than what I've read in this thread. Unless I misread, he claimed to be a Christian for 15 years, and now calls himself an atheist. If that is true, then yes, it seems he did apostacize.

Brother,

You misread. He was a Preterist for 15 years. He is arguing Preterism leads atheism.
http://unpreterist.blogspot.com/2014...onclusion.html

[seanD]

Brother,

You misread. He was a Preterist for 15 years. He is arguing Preterism leads atheism.
http://unpreterist.blogspot.com/2014...onclusion.html

To me, it seems a better argument that preterism leads to deception than atheism. In other words, if one isn't expecting a deception that will capture the world in the future, then one might not recognize it as a deception when it happens, or think it's just part of the world moving into a new phase of God-driven progression. I haven't read the article but I don't see any correlation between the two. The slippery slope to atheism, IMO, is from creationism to TE. That makes more sense to me.

[Pentecost]

I'm not seeing it. Can you provide me a quote?

37818 has pointed out that I misread. I admit my mistake, and hope none were harmed by my misunderstanding.

[Faber]

I don't think this is really a relevant matter in light of the bigger picture of ultimate consequences. If futurism is wrong, then it's a false doctrine regardless. So even futurists that don't set specific dates of the parousia are propagating a false doctrine. If preterism is wrong, then it doesn't matter if this view has never been part of any end time date setting cult because the view is a false doctrine regardless.

Those who fall for the blood moon theories and the shmita theory, and even the Jupiter Effect theory of the 1980s, betray a lack of objectivity and a desire to accept whatever fantasy Christian publishers come out with. The futurists that I have come into contact with generally do not question what they are being taught.

[Darfius]

Those who fall for the blood moon theories and the shmita theory, and even the Jupiter Effect theory of the 1980s, betray a lack of objectivity and a desire to accept whatever fantasy Christian publishers come out with. The futurists that I have come into contact with generally do not question what they are being taught.

Those who fall for the Nero-as-Antichrist theories and the Jerusalem-is-the-whole-world theory and even the God already came in judgment theory of the 1990's, betray a lack of objectivity and a desire to accept whatever fantasy that lets them avoid suffering any tribulation whatsoever. The preterists I have come into contact with generally do not question what they are being taught.

[fm93]

As has already been explained, preterism doesn't necessitate that there won't be multiple fulfillments of prophecy, so there could theoretically be a tribulation even if preterism is true. But certain futurists that I've come in contact with don't question what they're taught.