No, I'm Orthodox (but grew up an evangelical fundamental Protestant). I'm fairly certain that, for most fundamentalist Protestants, a pope working miracles would be confirmation that he is the Antichrist.
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Without turning this forum into a 'hill of foreskins' (Joshua 5:3), I believe we can still have fun with this 'sensitive' topic.
However, don't be misled, dispensationalism has only partly to do with circumcision issues. So, let's not forget about Innocence, Conscience, Promises, Kingdoms and so on.
End time -isms within orthodox Christianity also discussed here. Clearly unorthodox doctrines, such as those advocating "pantelism/full preterism/Neo-Hymenaeanism" or the denial of any essential of the historic Christian faith are not permitted in this section but can be discussed in Comparative Religions 101 without restriction. Any such threads, as well as any that within the moderator's discretions fall outside mainstream evangelical belief, will be moved to the appropriate area.
Millennialism- post-, pre- a-
Futurism, Historicism, Idealism, and Preterism, or just your garden variety Zionism.
From the tribulation to the anichrist. Whether your tastes run from Gary DeMar to Tim LaHaye or anywhere in between, your input is welcome here.
OK folks, let's roll!
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Without turning this forum into a 'hill of foreskins' (Joshua 5:3), I believe we can still have fun with this 'sensitive' topic.
However, don't be misled, dispensationalism has only partly to do with circumcision issues. So, let's not forget about Innocence, Conscience, Promises, Kingdoms and so on.
End time -isms within orthodox Christianity also discussed here. Clearly unorthodox doctrines, such as those advocating "pantelism/full preterism/Neo-Hymenaeanism" or the denial of any essential of the historic Christian faith are not permitted in this section but can be discussed in Comparative Religions 101 without restriction. Any such threads, as well as any that within the moderator's discretions fall outside mainstream evangelical belief, will be moved to the appropriate area.
Millennialism- post-, pre- a-
Futurism, Historicism, Idealism, and Preterism, or just your garden variety Zionism.
From the tribulation to the anichrist. Whether your tastes run from Gary DeMar to Tim LaHaye or anywhere in between, your input is welcome here.
OK folks, let's roll!
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Pope Francis the Rev False Prophet?
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Hah. I thought Rev in the title was short for Reverend upon first read. Reverend False Prophet.
Originally posted by Spartacus View Post"who am I to judge," refers not to same sex marriage but to the possibility of gay seminarians or postulants to religious orders.
Aliens: in response to a pure hypothetical about, if aliens existed, whether we should evangelize them, Pope Francis made the obvious answer, and the same answer that, to the best of my knowledge, most every credible theologian who has dedicated time and energy to the topic has reached.
Climate change/ call for a new ecological and economic order: in calling for radical economic reform, Pope Francis is echoing every single pope for the last 120+ years: Popes have been publicly calling for more humane economic practices and structures since Pope Leo XIII issued Rerum Novarum in 1891. Papal critiques of capitalism, socialism, and the materialism that capitalism and communism hold in common have been quite consistent, and materialistic consumerism that cares little for ecological sustainability still drives our economy today.
Originally posted by seanD View PostCan you also give me examples of famous theologians espousing similar views about aliens?
All things considered, I think this Pope is a pretty swell guy. Is he/will he be the/an anti-Christ. Probably not, but I'd be lying if I said the concept hadn't at least occurred to me, and mostly because of his mainstream popularity, which seems to be off the charts, especially by people who are otherwise very secular or atheistic. Not that I'm saying that I think he will be the/an anti-Christ, just that the connection between the two had occurred in my brain. Probably flipped through too many Jack Chick tracts as a kid.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostIsn't he precisely the one to judge?
Wait, we're talking alien aliens here? I thought sean was talking about, like, illegal aliens or something. What's exactly is the context?Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.
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Originally posted by Spartacus View PostNo, that's for the superiors within these dioceses/religious communities. They're the ones speaking with the applicant and trying to judge whether the applicant has a calling to their particular community.
Thanks!
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Originally posted by seanD View PostWell, okay, but just for the record the OP doesn't claim the possibility he is antichrist. I'm not sure why no one can make that distinction.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by seanD View PostI didn't say he could be "antichrist" in that post either.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by seanD View PostThen there's no need to even mention antichrist in this thread since that isn't what I've been arguing about pope Francis? It's an irrelevant term.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIt's irrelevant because YOU didn't bring it up? The mind boggles.
Originally posted by Catholicity View PostUmm
Pope's ok, your just looking to hard for the antichrist.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostAnd I doubt even the majority of fundamentalist (whatever that word even means) protestants are futurists"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostSure they are. Most Protestants are futurists.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostWell, yeah. And it's irrelevant to the thread because of idiotic posts like this...
And I doubt even the majority of fundamentalist (whatever that word even means) protestants are futurists, and the ones that are are most likely pre-trib believers, so no, I doubt they'll think he's the "antichrist."Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostI believe that most of them are pre-trib, was the point I attempted to make."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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