For the long (but most thorough) way around, I'd recommend N.T. Wright's "Christian Origins and the Question of God" series.
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Without turning this forum into a 'hill of foreskins' (Joshua 5:3), I believe we can still have fun with this 'sensitive' topic.
However, don't be misled, dispensationalism has only partly to do with circumcision issues. So, let's not forget about Innocence, Conscience, Promises, Kingdoms and so on.
End time -isms within orthodox Christianity also discussed here. Clearly unorthodox doctrines, such as those advocating "pantelism/full preterism/Neo-Hymenaeanism" or the denial of any essential of the historic Christian faith are not permitted in this section but can be discussed in Comparative Religions 101 without restriction. Any such threads, as well as any that within the moderator's discretions fall outside mainstream evangelical belief, will be moved to the appropriate area.
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Without turning this forum into a 'hill of foreskins' (Joshua 5:3), I believe we can still have fun with this 'sensitive' topic.
However, don't be misled, dispensationalism has only partly to do with circumcision issues. So, let's not forget about Innocence, Conscience, Promises, Kingdoms and so on.
End time -isms within orthodox Christianity also discussed here. Clearly unorthodox doctrines, such as those advocating "pantelism/full preterism/Neo-Hymenaeanism" or the denial of any essential of the historic Christian faith are not permitted in this section but can be discussed in Comparative Religions 101 without restriction. Any such threads, as well as any that within the moderator's discretions fall outside mainstream evangelical belief, will be moved to the appropriate area.
Millennialism- post-, pre- a-
Futurism, Historicism, Idealism, and Preterism, or just your garden variety Zionism.
From the tribulation to the anichrist. Whether your tastes run from Gary DeMar to Tim LaHaye or anywhere in between, your input is welcome here.
OK folks, let's roll!
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Originally posted by Wildflower View PostFor the long (but most thorough) way around, I'd recommend N.T. Wright's "Christian Origins and the Question of God" series.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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The brutal, soul-shaking truth is that we are so earthly minded we are of no heavenly use.
Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by theophilus View PostVeritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostRapture Ready?The brutal, soul-shaking truth is that we are so earthly minded we are of no heavenly use.
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Originally posted by theophilus View PostOf course. Don't you want to be ready for the Rapture?Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI want to be ready for the return of Christ. I am highly skeptical of the dispensational pre-trib pre-mill position. Dee Dee Warren, a previous owner here, regularly cited Rapture Ready as a particularly egregious proponent of the view.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostNow I'm confused. If you don't believe Jesus is returning to earth to rule (the premil belief), wouldn't you believe in a rapture at some point when Jesus returns to gather the church, if not on the earth then I presume in heaven? Partial preterists still believe that Jesus is returning to gather the church at some point... or am I confused about that too?We know J6 wasn’t peaceful because they didn’t set the building on fire.
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Originally posted by alaskazimm View PostThat much is true - we wait for the coming of the Lord and the new heavens and earth. What we are skeptical of is the dispensational pre-trib pre-mil scenario with the 7 year trib and the 1000 year millennium with two returns and three resurrections.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostOkay, but what confused me is that theophilus didn't specifically mention pre-trib rapture. He just said rapture. So I"m right that preterists actually do believe in a rapture at some point just not as specifically as pre-tribbers believe. That's actually kind of goofy to be so religiously opposed to it because it's essentially the same belief just a matter of a slightly small detail.
Preterists believe that we will meet the Lord in the sky and escort him the rest of the way down to the earth, which is nearly the opposite of what pre-tribbers believe. Is that a "slightly small detail" IYO?Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by seanD View PostOkay, but what confused me is that theophilus didn't specifically mention pre-trib rapture. He just said rapture. So I"m right that preterists actually do believe in a rapture at some point just not as specifically as pre-tribbers believe. That's actually kind of goofy to be so religiously opposed to it because it's essentially the same belief just a matter of a slightly small detail.When I Survey....
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWhen he is citing "Rapture Ready" it is clear what he means by it.
Preterists believe that we will meet the Lord in the sky and escort him the rest of the way down to the earth, which is nearly the opposite of what pre-tribbers believe. Is that a "slightly small detail" IYO?
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Originally posted by seanD View PostWow, then I'm really confused, because that implies a pre-mil belief.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by seanD View PostOkay, but what confused me is that theophilus didn't specifically mention pre-trib rapture. He just said rapture.The brutal, soul-shaking truth is that we are so earthly minded we are of no heavenly use.
Leonard Ravenhill
https://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/
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