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Without turning this forum into a 'hill of foreskins' (Joshua 5:3), I believe we can still have fun with this 'sensitive' topic.
However, don't be misled, dispensationalism has only partly to do with circumcision issues. So, let's not forget about Innocence, Conscience, Promises, Kingdoms and so on.
End time -isms within orthodox Christianity also discussed here. Clearly unorthodox doctrines, such as those advocating "pantelism/full preterism/Neo-Hymenaeanism" or the denial of any essential of the historic Christian faith are not permitted in this section but can be discussed in Comparative Religions 101 without restriction. Any such threads, as well as any that within the moderator's discretions fall outside mainstream evangelical belief, will be moved to the appropriate area.
Millennialism- post-, pre- a-
Futurism, Historicism, Idealism, and Preterism, or just your garden variety Zionism.
From the tribulation to the anichrist. Whether your tastes run from Gary DeMar to Tim LaHaye or anywhere in between, your input is welcome here.
OK folks, let's roll!
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Without turning this forum into a 'hill of foreskins' (Joshua 5:3), I believe we can still have fun with this 'sensitive' topic.
However, don't be misled, dispensationalism has only partly to do with circumcision issues. So, let's not forget about Innocence, Conscience, Promises, Kingdoms and so on.
End time -isms within orthodox Christianity also discussed here. Clearly unorthodox doctrines, such as those advocating "pantelism/full preterism/Neo-Hymenaeanism" or the denial of any essential of the historic Christian faith are not permitted in this section but can be discussed in Comparative Religions 101 without restriction. Any such threads, as well as any that within the moderator's discretions fall outside mainstream evangelical belief, will be moved to the appropriate area.
Millennialism- post-, pre- a-
Futurism, Historicism, Idealism, and Preterism, or just your garden variety Zionism.
From the tribulation to the anichrist. Whether your tastes run from Gary DeMar to Tim LaHaye or anywhere in between, your input is welcome here.
OK folks, let's roll!
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Life after the eclipse (sign of Jonah)
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Originally posted by Darfius View PostDouble fulfillment for the winThat's what
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Originally posted by Darfius View PostAstronomy isn't astrology, piglet.
and there is nothing in the bible about a total eclipse in nineveh when Jonah was there. seems like that would be worth mentioning, such as "the Lord hid the sun as Jonah preached to the Ninevites"
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Originally posted by Darfius View PostAstronomy isn't astrology, piglet.
Astronomy is not assigning mystical significance to particular alignments of planets and constellations.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postastrology is finding mystical significance and signs in the positions of celestial objects. which is exactly what you are doing.
and there is nothing in the bible about a total eclipse in nineveh when Jonah was there. seems like that would be worth mentioning, such as "the Lord hid the sun as Jonah preached to the Ninevites"
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Originally posted by Darfius View PostAs usual, you guys are ignorant, but that won't stop you from running your mouths.
The "sign of Jonah" was the total solar eclipse local to America, which only happened one other time in 1776.
No significance there, right?
A total solar eclipse happened in Nineveh shortly before Jonah appeared, which likely led to the Ninevites obeying his call to repentance.
The total eclipse was not the Rev 12 sign, which involved more than "the sun going through Virgo." It was an alignment of the sun, moon, the constellations Virgo, Leo, Ophiuchus and the planets Venus, Mars, Mercury and Saturn, which doesn't happen "every now and then."
The sign definitely happened.
Nobody can look at the sun. If you can see the sun, you can't see the stars and planets around it; and if you can't see the sun, you can't see the stars around it because they're on the other side of the planet or it's cloudy. It can only be detected by star charts or software.
Which means it can't be seen directly. Revelation 12 is deeply symbolic; a sign that appeared (note the past tense) in the highest heaven. Most commentators say the woman represents Israel; some say the church; but none I know of say it is a constellation.
I never said the Rapture would happen.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI never claimed it was.
Astronomy is not assigning mystical significance to particular alignments of planets and constellations.
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Originally posted by Darfius View PostYou do know total eclipses are only possible because the sun is 400 times larger than the moon but also 400 times further away from earth, right? Is that more of a "coincidence" or more of a "sign" to you?Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Darfius View PostGenesis 1:14 explicitly says for "signs". Not sure what level of your stupidity I'm supposed to accept when you're ignoring explicit statements in the Bible.
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Originally posted by Darfius View PostYou do know total eclipses are only possible because the sun is 400 times larger than the moon but also 400 times further away from earth, right? Is that more of a "coincidence" or more of a "sign" to you?
You do know that the distance of the moon from the earth varies, right?
That is because its orbit is not a perfect circle. At its closest the moon is 225,623 miles away and its furthest at it is 252,088 miles away (that's a difference of 26,465 miles -- you can fit more than 3 earths in that space).
This is why there are annular eclipses and total eclipses
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Originally posted by Rayado View PostNo, it's not that I'm ignorant; it's that I disagree. I've yet to see any Sept. 23rd person explain why the Sign of Jonah has anything to do with Rev. 12. So you are in fact the first of well over a dozen.
Not according to Jesus. Luke 11:30 has Jesus saying that Jonah himself was the sign to the Ninevites, not an eclipse; furthermore, Jesus rebuked the crowd for asking for a sign, and the three days that Jonah spent in the fish has always been the traditional interpretation of Jesus response, and the person of Jonah himself being the Sign points only to Jesus' time in the grave being what He meant, not some eclipse. What Biblical scholars agree with your view?
http://www.wnd.com/2017/04/solar-ecl...sign-from-god/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_eclipseThe Assyrian eclipse, also known as Bur-Sagale (Bur-Saggile, Pur-Sagale or Par-Sagale) eclipse, was a solar eclipse that occurred on 15 June 763 BC (proleptic Julian calendar). It was recorded in Assyrian eponym lists, most likely in the ninth year of the reign of king Ashur-dan III
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeroboam_IIWilliam F. Albright has dated his reign to , while E. R. Thiele says he was coregent with Jehoash 793 to 782 BC and sole ruler 782 to 753 BC
Right.
And here I thought it was Jonah's preaching and call to repentance. The book of Jonah mentions no eclipse. Why is that?
But there is precisely zero theological significance here. Alignments, no matter how intricate, don't matter without sound interpretation of Scripture, which is desperately lacking here.
Want to know the other reason I don't think September 23 amounted to a hill of eschatological beans? Here's why.
Nobody can look at the sun. If you can see the sun, you can't see the stars and planets around it; and if you can't see the sun, you can't see the stars around it because they're on the other side of the planet or it's cloudy. It can only be detected by star charts or software.
Which means it can't be seen directly. Revelation 12 is deeply symbolic; a sign that appeared (note the past tense) in the highest heaven. Most commentators say the woman represents Israel; some say the church; but none I know of say it is a constellation.
Quite a few people enthusiastically predicted it. Now they have egg on their faces. Even if the end comes soon, which would be nice, it will have nothing to do with an astronomical alignment on that day. Or any other day. It is not how the signs are supposed to be interpreted.
You're welcome for doing your homework for you.
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Originally posted by Darfius View Post
What Pharisees (Bible scholars) agreed that Jesus was the Messiah?That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostNicodemus.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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