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Originally posted by Celebrian View PostThank you to you and simplicio -- I am truly trying to understand something I was taught was wrong. Theology Web has helped me get past some of my overly fundamentalist (as in everyone else is wrong) upbringing. It helps to know that those praying to dead saints don't think they are worshipping them but see it the same as talking to a Christian on earth. I may just not be able to get past my early indoctrination. I guess I also don't see the necessity for prayer to saints, but then I rarely ask others on earth to pray for me either.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by arnoldo View PostDon't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.
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Originally posted by Spartacus View PostFrom skipping quickly through various points in the video, I notice he focuses on Medjugorie, which is something that a number of Catholics like, but which a lot of other Catholics hold in suspicion. Unlike Fatima and Lourdes, it's not among the Vatican-approved apparitions.
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Originally posted by Spartacus View PostFrom skipping quickly through various points in the video, I notice he focuses on Medjugorie, which is something that a number of Catholics like, but which a lot of other Catholics hold in suspicion. Unlike Fatima and Lourdes, it's not among the Vatican-approved apparitions.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by Spartacus View PostFrom skipping quickly through various points in the video, I notice he focuses on Medjugorie, which is something that a number of Catholics like, but which a lot of other Catholics hold in suspicion. Unlike Fatima and Lourdes, it's not among the Vatican-approved apparitions.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Since the video is so long, I checked out the article it's based on. It's much shorter than the video IMO. It doesn't just talk about Medjugorie, it speaks of other appearances. Fatima being one of the more in depth ones(although they are all rather short).
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostSince the video is so long, I checked out the article it's based on. It's much shorter than the video IMO. It doesn't just talk about Medjugorie, it speaks of other appearances. Fatima being one of the more in depth ones(although they are all rather short).
The argument that Catholicism steals from various pagan mythologies is about as credible and persuasive as the Jesus=Mithra=Osiris garbage. It analyses things as though there is no such thing as a coincidence, or a symbol that can be used in different ways in different contexts.
To top it all off, there's the fact that the piece begins by analyzing a contemporary song, and a fairly trite one even by contemporary standards.Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.
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Originally posted by Spartacus View Post40-minute videos of people slowly saying the words that are also appearing on-screen are just so engrossing: how could you not watch the whole thing?
The argument that Catholicism steals from various pagan mythologies is about as credible and persuasive as the Jesus=Mithra=Osiris garbage. It analyses things as though there is no such thing as a coincidence, or a symbol that can be used in different ways in different contexts.
To top it all off, there's the fact that the piece begins by analyzing a contemporary song, and a fairly trite one even by contemporary standards.
*Islam and certain ancient pagan practices/beliefs come to mind. Not going to argue that here though.
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Originally posted by Spartacus View Post40-minute videos of people slowly saying the words that are also appearing on-screen are just so engrossing: how could you not watch the whole thing?
The argument that Catholicism steals from various pagan mythologies is about as credible and persuasive as the Jesus=Mithra=Osiris garbage. It analyses things as though there is no such thing as a coincidence, or a symbol that can be used in different ways in different contexts.
To top it all off, there's the fact that the piece begins by analyzing a contemporary song, and a fairly trite one even by contemporary standards.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostI agree with you here. To be fair, I think that it is in principle possible to show a connection between various beliefs*. Although I haven't seen any that I'm convinced of for Catholicism at this point.
*Islam and certain ancient pagan practices/beliefs come to mind. Not going to argue that here though.
I didn't watch, or listen. I saw that it was ~40 minutes long, and decided it wasn't worth watching. Since I'm a fast reader I skipped straight to the article. I might take another better look at it later. Right now my energy is sapped with the recent cold weather. I posted the link just in case others didn't want to watch the video, but wanted to see the arguments.Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.
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Originally posted by arnoldo View PostVeritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by arnoldo View PostSo you believe the Marian apparitions are genuine?Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThis article from the same source castigatesyour hero T. B. Joshua in no less uncertain terms. Why should we believe him on the on hand, but not on the other?Last edited by arnoldo; 12-19-2015, 06:32 PM.
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