Lack of Enthusiasm

[One Bad Pig]

Yes, the realization that they should've been listening more closely to what Jesus had been saying before rather than trying to fit what He said to their preconceived notions.

[Cerebrum123]

Complaining about "herd mentality" and "individualism" in the same thread.

[Cow Poke]

And start on the tranquilisers you feed your flock?

;-)

You haven't got a clue what I preach to my congregation, FW, so this is just jackassery on your part. You are revealing more and more that you're just a here.

[One Bad Pig]

You haven't got a clue what I preach to my congregation, FW, so this is just jackassery on your part. You are revealing more and more that you're just a here.

Nah. He's just going tit for tat with you here AFAICS. I don't think he's trolling, simply very, very convinced that he's correct.

In any case, he seems to think that anyone who's preaching from the pulpit without allowing dialogue with the congregation is preaching "tranquilizers."

[Cow Poke]

Nah. He's just going tit for tat with you here AFAICS. I don't think he's trolling, simply very, very convinced that he's correct.

In any case, he seems to think that anyone who's preaching from the pulpit without allowing dialogue with the congregation is preaching "tranquilizers."

Then I shall leave him in your most capable cloven hooves.

[footwasher]

Complaining about "herd mentality" and raising "individualism" in the same thread.

Did the Thessalonians check Scripture or did they follow the status quo of the collectivist society they lived in, the synagogue? That's right they flubbed, they didn't.

They were an aberrant for the Jewish model, which insisted on every individual to work through Torah for himself.

Yankee Doodles pride themselves on their right to question Da Man, even resisting all change to the constitutional right to bear arms, believing it to be the last resort in not being forced to obey the dictates of collectivist society. But then, we aren't YD's, we are lemmings. Ja?

[One Bad Pig]

Did the Thessalonians check Scripture or did they follow the status quo of the collectivist society they lived in, the synagogue? That's right they flubbed, they didn't.

They were an aberrant for the Jewish model, which insisted on every individual to work through Torah for himself.

Yankee Doodles pride themselves on their right to question Da Man, even resisting all change to the constitutional right to bear arms, believing it to be the last resort in not being forced to obey the dictates of collectivist society. But then, we aren't YD's, we are lemmings. Ja?

When you don't know the first thing about social science, it usually best to not to speak about it.

[footwasher]

When you don't know the first thing about social science, it usually best to not to speak about it.

He claimed I railed against individualism. I didn't. So direct your criticism to HIM.

[One Bad Pig]

He claimed I railed against individualism. I didn't. So direct your criticism to HIM.

Yes, he appears to have misunderstood your post (which is understandable; your posts are hardly models of clarity). That does not excuse altering his post when replying to it or your posting ignorant nonsense in response.

[footwasher]

Yes, he appears to have misunderstood your post (which is understandable; your posts are hardly models of clarity). That does not excuse altering his post when replying to it or your posting ignorant nonsense in response.

Show where I have done either. Or the accusation of posting ignorant nonsense applies to your posts.

[Cerebrum123]

Yes, he appears to have misunderstood your post (which is understandable; your posts are hardly models of clarity). That does not excuse altering his post when replying to it or your posting ignorant nonsense in response.

Yes, it looks like I just might have misunderstood. Here's where I got it though.

"Christianity has always been known for its ability to nurture individualism, linked as it is with its strong roots in Judaism. Maybe a thinking Christianity will encourage enquiry from the intellectually inclined blue states."

He seemed to be against it there. He then complained about "herd mentality".

footwasher, I apologize if I misunderstood you.

[footwasher]

Yes, it looks like I just might have misunderstood. Here's where I got it though.

"Christianity has always been known for its ability to nurture individualism, linked as it is with its strong roots in Judaism. Maybe a thinking Christianity will encourage enquiry from the intellectually inclined blue states."

He seemed to be against it there. He then complained about "herd mentality".

footwasher, I apologize if I misunderstood you.

Okay, thats more clear now.

I tend to make jumps in my conclusions that are uncalled for, partly because I am trying to cover more ground.

I should I have been more clear:


"Christianity has always been known for its ability to nurture individualism, linked as it is with its strong roots in Judaism.

Judaism had a magisterial body that overruled the deliberations of the various rabbinical schools that existed in first century Jerusalem, the Sanhedrin a type of Supreme Court. But then, as now, without the existence of the Sanhedrin, the recommendation from the supreme authority of a rabbinical group, was always to consult with the immediate leaders of the factions of which the enquirer was a member, its local rabbi, or poser

[Thoughtful Monk]

Well they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. All that happens when you attend a church with pulpit centred meetings is that you contributed in perpetuating the errors from a system that has no checks and balances.

As for meeting in small groups and cultivating error, I think this devalues the worth of the follower of Christ and reduces his input to clannish loyalty seen in the red states: "I got your back, bro".

Christianity has always been known for its ability to nurture individualism, linked as it is with its strong roots in Judaism. Maybe a thinking Christianity will encourage enquiry from the intellectually inclined blue states.

Apparently I wasn't clear. My respect for the office of the pastor means I will not attempt to fill it without a calling from God. I have no problems with telling authority that I think they are in error. I will not have blood required of me at the end. (Ezekiel 33:6)

I do agree that small groups may tend to make people conform. I have been to Bible studies where people bring up a slightly different but Biblically correct view and beaten back into the group's position on the matter. The free flow on TWeb doesn't always happen in small groups or even churches. Pastors can get nervous in the face of different positions from their own.

[footwasher]

Apparently I wasn't clear. My respect for the office of the pastor means I will not attempt to fill it without a calling from God. I have no problems with telling authority that I think they are in error. I will not have blood required of me at the end. (Ezekiel 33:6)

I do agree that small groups may tend to make people conform. I have been to Bible studies where people bring up a slightly different but Biblically correct view and beaten back into the group's position on the matter. The free flow on TWeb doesn't always happen in small groups or even churches. Pastors can get nervous in the face of different positions from their own.

There is no authoritative ministry of pastor, the teaching comes through Christ in you and Christ in the other believers.

John 6:45It is written in the Prophets: 'They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.

1 John 2:27As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.

[Cow Poke]

There is no authoritative ministry of pastor

Sounds like somebody has a problem with authority overall.

Heb 13:17 Have confidence in your leaders and submit to their authority, because they keep watch over you as those who must give an account. Do this so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no benefit to you.