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Colossians 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. ESV
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Originally posted by Paprika View Post"He"? Or "he"?
Despite the later emphasis on the ontology of God, the gospel is not primarily about Jesus' God-ontology but his Messiahship and his death and resurrection (and one might add his return for judgment).
John did make it a point that the one who is Christ was also God: " He was in the world, and the world came into being through Him, and the world did not know Him." -- John 1:10, Modern King James Version.
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostDespite the later emphasis on the ontology of God, the gospel is not primarily about Jesus' God-ontology but his Messiahship and his death and resurrection (and one might add his return for judgment).
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Originally posted by 37818 View Post". . . I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am [He], ye shall die in your sins. . . ." -- John 8:24.
Despite the later emphasis on the ontology of God, the gospel is not primarily about Jesus' God-ontology but his Messiahship and his death and resurrection (and one might add his return for judgment).
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Other passages in the gospels make it clear that some of them explained his miracles as sorcery.
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Originally posted by Obsidian View PostJohn 8:23-24 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
It sounds like he may just be saying that if they doubt that he is the one from above, then they will die in their sins.
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John 8:23-24 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
It sounds like he may just be saying that if they doubt that he is the one from above, then they will die in their sins.
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostI agree that Arianism contradicts Scripture, but I do not see how Arianism is the type of heresy that "puts one outside the Body of Christ".
". . . Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. . . ." -- 2 John 9.
". . . Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: . . . " -- Matthew 7:21-23.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostYou really can't see how a heretic isn't a real Christian? I just gave examples of how the NT writers had false teachers, and those who followed them as not Christian. They condemned them in very strong terms. Their teachings are foolishness, and those who follow them end in ruin. What they teach was even said to be "no gospel at all", meaning it wasn't Christianity at all.
Arianism denies that Christ is LORD, which is not in any way shape or form what Christianity teaches. As for "damnable heresies" I mean the kind that put one outside the Body of Christ, and would mean that they are not saved.Tags: None
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