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Jesus said you had to be born again. Confused Nic asked Huh? How can someone be born again? Crawl back in the womb?
And Jesus, probably chuckling, said, No silly. You have to be born of a woman AND of the spirit. (he added the second to the one nic was thinking about)
First the womb, then the holy spirit. Born, AGAIN.
And "born of water" was probably a figure of speech used back then. Or Jesus was just being descriptive.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostOurs did.
Sometimes.
My youngest daughter used to "train" her dog by watching what he was about to do, and quickly telling him to do it.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHow do you know he wasn't coming to you anyway, regardless of you calling him or not?
My youngest daughter used to "train" her dog by watching what he was about to do, and quickly telling him to do it.
Now cats, I think if you could make the sound of a can opener, then THAT would be the perfect name for a cat. They always come for that.
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OK, multiple lines between paragraphs (or sentences) means you're the rightest!!! (except you find no actual baptisms of infants in the NT) The Son of God was baptized as an adult, and not because he had ever sinned, and God was pleased.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostJesus said you had to be born again. Confused Nic asked Huh? How can someone be born again? Crawl back in the womb?
And Jesus, probably chuckling, said, No silly. You have to be born of a woman AND of the spirit. (he added the second to the one nic was thinking about)
First the womb, then the holy spirit. Born, AGAIN.Last edited by JonathanL; 05-24-2019, 03:10 PM.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhy name cats? They never come when you call!"What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
"... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostAnd again, adding "born of water" (if it only meant physical birth) was unnecessary, since it wouldn't have added anything meaningful to the discussion. The question was "what does a man/human need to do to be born again?", not "what does a spirit being need to do to be born again?". That a human is born physically goes without saying, so why would Jesus even need to add it as a requirement? If I say, "for a stone to be turned into a statue of a man it needs to first exist as a stone, and then be chiseled into the form of a man" what useful information am I adding with "it needs to first exist as a stone"? And if Jesus says that you need to be born of water and the Spirit to enter the kingdom of heaven, what useful information is he adding with "of water" if he by that means "physical birth" since the fact that humans are born physically is such an obvious thing that it shouldn't even need to be mentioned?
It makes perfect and plain sense to me. Maybe because you are not a native english speaker? How does it read in Finnish?
Or maybe you just don't want to "get it" so you are kinda squeezing your eyes closed here?
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How can a person who has not been born be born again?
except a person be born of water and Spirit [that is one thing]
except a person born of the water be born of the Spirit [that is another thing]1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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grow thread, grow
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI'm suddenly having Deja Vu remembering Mickiel - how we tried our best to show him that, and he kept going on and on about universal salvation. And I want to get into that. But I walk alone.
And I want to get in to this.
I'm always still in trouble again
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