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  • #481
    They pray to the "saints" thus God's absolute holiness is denigrated for His absolute holiness is why prayer is rendered unto Him (Matthew 6:9) and prayer to Him is in accord with knowing He is omniscient (Matthew 6:6, 8).

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    • #482
      Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
      Originally posted by tabibito
      1Co 14:24 But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an ungifted man enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all;
      Your point?
      I would have thought that obvious. The hidden thoughts of a man can be known even to a living person under God's guidance. Again - you have nothing but wild guesses to underpin the idea that you know the limitations of a resurrected saint.
      1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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      Scripture before Tradition:
      but that won't prevent others from
      taking it upon themselves to deprive you
      of the right to call yourself Christian.
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      • #483
        Originally posted by tabibito View Post
        I would have thought that obvious. The hidden thoughts of a man can be known even to a living person under God's guidance. Again - you have nothing but wild guesses to underpin the idea that you know the limitations of a resurrected saint.

        Not his ENTIRE thoughts.

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        • #484
          Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
          Not his ENTIRE thoughts.
          Can God reveal the entirety of a person's thoughts to another person?
          Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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          • #485
            No, for that would mean that God created another heart-knower of all (another omniscient God).

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            • #486
              Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
              No, for that would mean that God created another heart-knower of all (another omniscient God).
              So even given all of eternity, God cannot explain something finite (any individual human heart) to another person?
              Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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              • #487
                No, for that would violate His omniscience.
                He alone is the heart-knower of all (1 Kings 8:39; 2 Chronicles 6:30).

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                • #488
                  Originally posted by Foudroyant
                  They pray to the "saints" thus God's absolute holiness is denigrated for His absolute holiness is why prayer is rendered unto Him
                  ?? Be assured that pagan Gods are prayed to - and their absolute holiness is somewhat in doubt. Neither God nor any other, whether person or spirit, is prayed to because of their attribute of holiness. The Bible does note that prayer is directed to entities other than God, or gods. Prayer is not worship - it can be many things, including petition, but worship it is not. It is an address to someone else - and only one form of prayer (προσευχομαι) is restricted to address to a deity. All other forms of prayer can be addressed to anyone.
                  1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                  Scripture before Tradition:
                  but that won't prevent others from
                  taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                  of the right to call yourself Christian.
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                  • #489
                    Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
                    No, for that would violate His omniscience.
                    He alone is the heart-knower of all (1 Kings 8:39; 2 Chronicles 6:30).
                    We;re not talking about making someone else the heart-knower of all. We're talking about God giving someone else knowledge of someone else's heart, if only in a particular moment.
                    Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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                    • #490
                      Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                      We;re not talking about making someone else the heart-knower of all. We're talking about God giving someone else knowledge of someone else's heart, if only in a particular moment.
                      God gave people extraordinary knowledge of others hearts but never their totality.

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                      • #491
                        Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
                        God gave people extraordinary knowledge of others hearts but never their totality.
                        Why is it necessary for someone to know the absolute totality of a person's heart to know whether they are praying to them and being sincere?
                        Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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                        • #492
                          Because Matthew 6:4, 8 associate God's omniscience (being the heart-knower) as the basis of prayer being rendered unto Him.
                          Last edited by foudroyant; 08-04-2014, 09:48 PM.

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                          • #493
                            Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
                            Post #467
                            Does not answer my question.

                            Let me know where the Bible states it is the complete revelation of God and the sole source of what is permissible.
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                            • #494
                              I'm still waiting for a passage to be cited where prayer is taking place but it's not worship.

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                              • #495
                                Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
                                I'm still waiting for a passage to be cited where prayer is taking place but it's not worship.
                                Acts 21:39
                                1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                                Scripture before Tradition:
                                but that won't prevent others from
                                taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                                of the right to call yourself Christian.
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