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Originally posted by seanD View PostBut what if they do. Or perhaps simulate something that at least looks like immortality (i.e. uploading the human mind into a computer system). How will Christians handle this?
And, again, as I said, I think all this "cyborg" talk is us moderners talking waaay over our head, except we like to think its something we know anything about. Not only that, but I find the very idea so ludicrous that a discussion about elves and magic in the Lord of the Rings seems more realistic and productive.
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Originally posted by Just Some Dude View PostThat's a big "If" statement. A really big "If" statement. I'm not convinced humans have the power to even attempt a grab at immortality, despite what modern "intellectuals" think, and it's not something I'm going to sweat over unless it actually comes to pass (in which case, obviously its my theology that's wrong, not Jesus Christ who is wrong).
And, again, as I said, I think all this "cyborg" talk is us moderners talking waaay over our head, except we like to think its something we know anything about. Not only that, but I find the very idea so ludicrous that a discussion about elves and magic in the Lord of the Rings seems more realistic and productive.
As far as what you said about your theology being wrong; why do you say that?Last edited by seanD; 02-02-2014, 08:06 PM.
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Originally posted by JohnnyP View PostI think it may be a next step in evolution, those resisting will get left behind and considered as animals or mentally impaired. Or criminals, if such technology is imposed to monitor and control societal behavior -- God's Laws could be written on hearts and minds by way of computer, a cyber Messiah and New Covenant. It may be a coming type of persecution for a lot of Christians who deny it. We'll have to see...
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Originally posted by seanD View PostDude, I totally agree. I think this will elevate humanity to another level of existence or reality and those who reject it will be looked upon as outcasts, religious kooks, or even with suspicion or as a threat to human progress.
Deuteronomy 11:18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Genesis 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostIt's a fascinating subject. It covers everything from actual life extension technology, DNA modification to enhance human abilities to actually downloading data from the computer directly into your brain. Some of this is right out of the Matrix-type stuff, but it's being taken as a serious reality by academics worldwide. Christians should be aware of this and decide when this becomes unchristian before this technology becomes a reality and they're faced with societal pressure to integrate themselves with this technology.
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If such technology were used to return function to disabled persons (replacement limbs, repairing spinal cords, etc) or even as a way to enhance sensory input (direct neural interface with the net) then I really don't have a problem with it. God made us into technological creatures and we will continue to use technology to enhance and better our lives.
I would draw the line at such things as uploading minds to computers and calling that "immortality" - even going so far as to replace someone's entire body with a duplicate technological body (biological or technological) and uploading their mind to it and saying that is them. It would be as Jed said, a copy at best, not the original.
I just read a sci-fi story on that very subject, and it was pretty good: Mindscan by Robert Sawyer
http://www.amazon.com/Mindscan-Rober...=UTF8&sr=&qid=
"Jake Sullivan has cheated death: he's discarded his doomed biological body and copied his consciousness into an android form. The new Jake soon finds love, something that eluded him when he was encased in flesh: he falls for the android version of Karen, a woman rediscovering all the joys of life now that she's no longer constrained by a worn-out body either.
But suddenly Karen's son sues her, claiming that by uploading into an immortal body, she has done him out of his inheritance. Even worse, the original version of Jake, consigned to die on the far side of the moon, has taken hostages there, demanding the return of his rights of personhood. In the courtroom and on the lunar surface, the future of uploaded humanity hangs in the balance."
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Originally posted by seanD View PostOr the Singularity: merging of human and machine to a superior level of humanness is being discussed by the intellectuals and academicians of the world more and more because it's becoming more and more inevitable. Some of this includes actually altering human DNA. The question is: how far does it go before it becomes unchristian, or does it ever become unchristian?
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I agree with GioD. Kurzeil is a bit of an idiot when it comes to such things. People are a lot more reluctant to allow themselves to be turned into robots than he and the other "futurists" think. It all sounds cool to spout off about the "singularity" and "metahumanism" and such, and it makes for good Hollywood and sci-fi novels but people won't just line up to have themselves scanned into some computer and then destroy their biological bodies, or even have technology take over their biological body. Especially since technology is a lot more fragile than our own bodies are. Computers are always breaking down, as well as mechanical devices. A bionic arm might sound nice and be OK if you lost your real one, but I seriously doubt anyone other than complete nutjobs would volunteer cutting off their arm and replacing it with a bionic/robotic one.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWould you allow microsoft to put a chip in your head? They can't even keep a computer operating system running smoothly.
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You know how some people get their Internet browsers loaded up with spyware? Now just imagine the human equivalent of that."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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We really do need that amen feature back."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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