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The Honest Atheist?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe bible also says everyone has sinned. So can there be such thing as an honest anyone?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo do you believe that the honest atheist exists?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe bible also says everyone has sinned. So can there be such thing as an honest anyone?
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Originally posted by seanD View PostRCC doesn't believe in the Christian concept of "born again" as described by Jesus and Paul, or am I misunderstanding you? I honestly didn't know that. Can you elaborate?
Catholics are in the portion of the Church that believes in both "paedo-baptism" -- baptism of infants -- and "baptismal regeneration" -- rebirth occurs at baptism. (However, I think "Confirmation" comes in there somewhere also.) I think Lutherans and possibly Anglicans/Episcopalians also hold this view. Evangelicals are generally more familiar with "credo-baptism" -- believers' baptism -- where baptism occurs *after* one has become a believer, i.e. been "born again."
FTR, "born again" was used only by John (quoting Jesus) and Peter, not Paul, though Paul did use the related term, "regeneration."Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostWhile we wait for the "official" answer, I'll butt in. We'll find out whether I'm right or wrong.
Catholics are in the portion of the Church that believes in both "paedo-baptism" -- baptism of infants -- and "baptismal regeneration" -- rebirth occurs at baptism. (However, I think "Confirmation" comes in there somewhere also.) I think Lutherans and possibly Anglicans/Episcopalians also hold this view. Evangelicals are generally more familiar with "credo-baptism" -- believers' baptism -- where baptism occurs *after* one has become a believer, i.e. been "born again."
FTR, "born again" was used only by John (quoting Jesus) and Peter, not Paul, though Paul did use the related term, "regeneration."
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Originally posted by seanD View PostIt all seems pretty clear to me. Jesus just briefly touched on it, but Paul went into great detail about it -- the duel natures and all that. I'm just wandering how the RCC interprets all that. If the RCC doesn't believe in the born again experience as Paul described, then that would explain a lot to me about their history, including its recent abhorrent history, at least of the establishment and its leadership.
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I know it seemed like it was antagonistic, but I didn't intend on it being that. I'm the kind of person that can be pretty blunt when I'm trying to make a point, even if it offends folks. Not sure if that's a short coming or not, but it's just my love for truth, no matter how ugly it might be. My point was that born again Christians (Christians filled with the HS) have a restraint against sin, unlike those who don't. That obviously doesn't mean those who don't can't do temporary good works. It also doesn't mean born again Christians can't sin (Paul makes this point obvious, and we know this from experience), but even though they can, the sin would be much worse without the HS as the restraint. My point about the RCC is that (and I know this might offend and I'm sorry) it supports my theory about folks with power who don't have that restraint. Folks without that divine restraint would be inclined to run pedophile rings (and even attempt to cover it up by the leadership afterwards). Though they can sin, I honestly don't think a spirit filled believer is capable of that even if they did have that power. So it's not really atheists in general, it's folks who don't have that spirit filled restraint that's the problem.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostHonest in the sense that they genuinely don't believe in God? Yes.
I don't think they're lying. I don't think it's plausible to believe that they know God exists, but act as if they don't. I do believe God can be known rationally by seeing the world, and even from mystical experiences. Their lack of knowledge about Him, isn't that they're lying, it is that they don't even knock on the door to find out.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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And seer reels me in again.
Originally posted by seer View PostSo they honestly can reject their Creator? So why would God judge them for an honestly held belief?
Though even then they might be held accountable for their lack of belief, if believing in God is a moral duty, and God has supplied them with all the means of knowing Him, natural or mysterious, if they were inclined to do so.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostGod doesn't judge them for their unbelief. He judges them for their sins.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWell if they don't believe they can't ask for the forgiveness of their sins, can they?
But at judgment they will be judged for their actions, not beliefs."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
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