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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostPut it this way, if there aren't any works, there is good reason to think there is no salvation (with obvious exceptions like the thief on the cross).
But the works aren't what save you.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by NorrinRaddISTM the best approach is to start with the idea that most likely, no passage really means what it seems to mean.
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Originally posted by Obsidian View PostOnce you admit that there is temporal salvation as well as eternal salvation, and that temporal salvation usually requires works, it's pretty easy to see what every single passage means.Curiosity never hurt anyone. It was stupidity that killed the cat.
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Salvation means protection from something. Temporal salvation means protection from something other than eternal death in hell. Here is an example of temporal salvation:
James 5:14-15
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15 and the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
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Originally posted by Obsidian View PostSalvation means protection from something. Temporal salvation means protection from something other than eternal death in hell. Here is an example of temporal salvation:
James 5:14-15
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15 and the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.Curiosity never hurt anyone. It was stupidity that killed the cat.
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Originally posted by seer View PostGood, so works don't save. The problem is trying to judge another man's faith by his works. Every man has a different starting point, different demons to overcome. A different upbringing to bring to the task.
In either case, it's not simply a matter of standing back and observing, but stepping forward and interacting.
But, yes - what you said.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by seer View PostGood, so works don't save. The problem is trying to judge another man's faith by his works. Every man has a different starting point, different demons to overcome. A different upbringing to bring to the task."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI heard a sermon not that long ago where the pastor argued that God works with people incrementally and doesn't seek to change everything at once. That there is room to grow. I think that fits with that.
I like that, because it doesn't slam a door shut in the face of a lost person - and I've heard MANY people respond, "yeah, I guess that's me... I'm still on the way..."The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI heard a sermon not that long ago where the pastor argued that God works with people incrementally and doesn't seek to change everything at once. That there is room to grow. I think that fits with that.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYears ago, I heard Paul Little say something interesting. Instead of asking (or discussing) "are you saved or lost", he would ask something like "have you come to a saving faith in Christ, or are you still on the way?".
I like that, because it doesn't slam a door shut in the face of a lost person - and I've heard MANY people respond, "yeah, I guess that's me... I'm still on the way..."Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I have to convert every now and then. I've been too preoccupied with my career lately, I really need to rededicate myself more to Christ. And if I was perfect I imagine I'd convert every single morning.
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