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Originally posted by Teallaura
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We need more planting - the establishment of new congregations - and less building of lovely edifices with empty pews.
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The difference is almost only semantic to me, especially since (as is evidenced by the original question in this thread) a Church plant often eventually implies a building.
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Sure, but existing ones - even those originally secular in purpose will serve.Originally posted by Jin-roh View Post
No one - merely an observation of existing conditions.Who has ever advocated for literally constructing an empty church in this thread?"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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I'm so hopelessly confused now.Comment
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Planting churches refers to building the church in the sense of the congregation - the Body of Christ.
Building churches refers to erecting a building for use by the congregation - the Body of Christ.
Yes, we CAN make that more confusing.
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I still don't see how planting churches is any less redundant than building another church building... but I guess that's why I'm not an Evangelical anymore.Comment
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Depends - there's a big difference between a Spiritually growing church and a stagnant one. In some cases, building a new congregation accomplishes more than trying to change a stagnant one."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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That's always a risk.Originally posted by Jin-roh View Post
Personally, I'm of the both/and school - new congregations can reach some an established congregation would never get - and vice versa"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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I've been involved with a couple churches with a building and over 50 years history as a church. In both cases, the congregation was more interested in holding on to the building than serving Christ. In the second case, I think there was a good possibility if they had let the building go, they could have prospered as servants of God.Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post"For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
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You're on Tweb: it's mandatory.Originally posted by Jin-roh View Post1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
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"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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I've heard that story before - a source would be very welcome. Innocent II died in 1143 - Innocent IV (1243-54) would have to be the one, because he is the only Pope of that name to have lived during St Thomas' lifetime.Comment
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It is still very beautiful even after over 500 years of Muslim vandalism and neglect
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