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1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Stevie likes the ESV. I prefer the NET:
John 14:10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you, I do not speak on my own initiative, but the Father residing in me performs his miraculous deeds.
John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father is in me, but if you do not believe me, believe because of the miraculous deeds themselves.
John 14:12 I tell you the solemn truth, the person who believes in me will perform the miraculous deeds that I am doing, and will perform greater deeds than these because I am going to the Father.
It was nice that Stevie cited that Gospel reference from Rom. 5. But let's not pretend it exists separate from Rom. 15:17-19.
Here's something somewhat relevant that I've posted previously. It's the late Gordon Fee, around 40 years ago:
Here's his daughter Cherith:
One of Dr. Fee's first "mass market" books was a slim booklet repudiating "The Disease of the Health and Wealth Gospel," i.e. the "Faith Movement," so neither he nor his daughter would be on board with a lot of that stuff. But the basic idea that Christians are to imitate Jesus, including His miracles, is fairly standard Pentecostalism.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostBut the basic idea that Christians are to imitate Jesus, including His miracles, is fairly standard Pentecostalism."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostThere are miracles recorded in Acts. Andvwe can do some pretty cool things to help people woth technology.
In Orthodoxy, it is expected that miracles sometimes occur - healing, or clairvoyance, or bilocation.... It is the Holy Spirit which works the miracles.
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI'm fairly certain that Jesus wasn't talking about technology.
In Orthodoxy, it is expected that miracles sometimes occur - healing, or clairvoyance, or bilocation.... It is the Holy Spirit which works the miracles.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI'm fairly certain that Jesus wasn't talking about technology.
In Orthodoxy, it is expected that miracles sometimes occur - healing, or clairvoyance, or bilocation.... It is the Holy Spirit which works the miracles.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostJust don't try to test God. Might not end well.
But a very specific test.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Malachi 3:10 says, “‘Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,’ says the Lord Almighty, ‘and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it.’”
But a very specific test.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
I was referring to the "jump off a building and an angel will rescue you" kind of test.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Bilocation is one I hadn't heard of until now. Clairvoyance?
I ran across bilocation rather more recently, when I read A Miracle at the Hyatt - The Story of Abbess Aemiliane - Ancient Faith Presents... | Ancient Faith Ministries. Abbess Aemiliane was pulled from the rubble by Abbot Aimilianos, who was in Greece at the time.
Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWithin a short period of time, I encountered people who attested that someone was able to read their thoughts - a Russian staaretz, Greek monk, and Romanian priest who had undergone torture by the communists.
I ran across bilocation rather more recently, when I read A Miracle at the Hyatt - The Story of Abbess Aemiliane - Ancient Faith Presents... | Ancient Faith Ministries. Abbess Aemiliane was pulled from the rubble by Abbot Aimilianos, who was in Greece at the time.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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