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Jesus: "My God, My God why has thou forsaken me?

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  • Rushing Jaws
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    What about Bahrain? Pretty much the Las Vegas of the middle east. Maybe Allah can't see them there either.
    Bahrain has been identified as the Sumerian Dilmun, which was the abode of the blessed - a sort of Sumerian Elysium. https://www.ancient-origins.net/myth...nd-dead-006801

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  • Sparko
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Not only that, but they revel in the sales of alcohol and cigarettes and pornography to us infidels. My sister almost married a Muslim about 40 years ago, and I was able to talk her out of it, but it was a tough sell. She really Achmed.
    What about Bahrain? Pretty much the Las Vegas of the middle east. Maybe Allah can't see them there either.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    Ah. That explains why the 911 terrorists were seen to be out gambling and drinking. They figured their sacrifice absolved them of their sins.
    Not only that, but they revel in the sales of alcohol and cigarettes and pornography to us infidels. My sister almost married a Muslim about 40 years ago, and I was able to talk her out of it, but it was a tough sell. She really Achmed.

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  • One Bad Pig
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    Ah. That explains why the 911 terrorists were seen to be out gambling and drinking. They figured their sacrifice absolved them of their sins.

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  • Sparko
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    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Close. If whoring and drinking and sinning somehow advances the cause of Islam, then it's all good. If the Muslim dies for the advance of Islam, that's a one-way, fully-paid ticket to your 70 houris, so one can sin to one's heart's content, consequence-free.
    Ah. That explains why the 911 terrorists were seen to be out gambling and drinking. They figured their sacrifice absolved them of their sins.

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  • One Bad Pig
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    I also heard that Allah can't see muslims when they are not in the middle east so they can do whatever they want like whore and drink and sin.

    Not sure if that is true or just a rumor someone told me.
    Close. If whoring and drinking and sinning somehow advances the cause of Islam, then it's all good. If the Muslim dies for the advance of Islam, that's a one-way, fully-paid ticket to your 70 houris, so one can sin to one's heart's content, consequence-free.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    I also heard that Allah can't see muslims when they are not in the middle east so they can do whatever they want like whore and drink and sin.

    Not sure if that is true or just a rumor someone told me.
    I can find pretty good substantiation for Arabic to be necessary for prayers to Allah, but I don't find anything about him not seeing Muslims outside the Middle East. In fact, it appears that Allah is claimed to be both omnipotent and omniscient.

    The explanation for why it's necessary to pray in Arabic reminds me a lot of the 'explanations' on FairMormon.org.

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  • Sparko
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Christianity is about what Christ did for us. Islam is about what Muslims can do for Allah.

    Christ died for His followers - Allah wants his followers to die for him.

    God can hear us in any language - Allah wants us to learn Arabic for him.
    I also heard that Allah can't see muslims when they are not in the middle east so they can do whatever they want like whore and drink and sin.

    Not sure if that is true or just a rumor someone told me.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    Wait.. can we get back to the idea that Muslims think Allah can only answer prayers in Arabic? Isn't God omniscient? That's a rather finite view of the ultimate Being! Mere mortals can learn more than one language!
    Christianity is about what Christ did for us. Islam is about what Muslims can do for Allah.

    Christ died for His followers - Allah wants his followers to die for him.

    God can hear us in any language - Allah wants us to learn Arabic for him.

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  • Christianbookworm
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    Wait.. can we get back to the idea that Muslims think Allah can only answer prayers in Arabic? Isn't God omniscient? That's a rather finite view of the ultimate Being! Mere mortals can learn more than one language!

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by thewriteranon View Post
    I don't know why I bother.
    Because some of us really do appreciate you.

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  • thewriteranon
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    Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
    Arab Jews and Christians do say Allah when referring to God but that is only because they speak Arabic. They do not have the same conception of God as Muslims do; for instance, some of the Christians are trinitarian.
    I don't know why I bother.

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  • One Bad Pig
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    Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
    And this phrase was originally spoken by King David and he did not speak in Arabic.
    For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

    You never know. Maybe David DID speak in Arabic, but the nefarious Jews changed it to Hebrew when they corrupted the text.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
    duh. everyone knows King David used the KJV version of the bible.
    It was good enough for Paul and Silas!

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  • mikewhitney
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Correct, David spoke clear King James English with a British accent.
    duh. everyone knows King David used the KJV version of the bible.

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