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John 20:28, My Lord and My God
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Originally posted by Geert van den Bos View PostIt doesn't say that,
but "in him"
ἐν αὐτῷ ἐκτίσθη τὰ πάντα = in the image of God everything was created
But no, it says everything was created in and by the Son and everything holds together through him.
and in John 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
So the Son existed before everything and created everything. The only being that describes is God. The Son is God. As is the Father and the Holy Spirit.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostHey Kofthu! I was just looking at your web site. Hilarious! I especially liked the bit about the Vulcan salute!
But no, it says everything was created in and by the Son and everything holds together through him.
and in John 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
So the Son existed before everything and created everything. The only being that describes is God. The Son is God. As is the Father and the Holy Spirit.
Man was made with a seal, like a coin, which is made by means of a die, which is called coin in Old French
The word "inscription" returns in Mark 15:26,
Not without reason
they crucified the image of God .
Like you do.
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Originally posted by Geert van den Bos View PostAccording to Rashi man was created with a seal https://www.chabad.org/library/bible...showrashi/true
Same idea underlies Mark 12:15-16,
The word "inscription" returns in Mark 15:26,
Not without reason
they crucified the image of God .
Like you do.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
Not that you are interested, it goes above your comprehension, like also John 1:4 already said: "and the light shines in the darkness, but the darkness cannot get it"
https://twitter.com/Minkmaat/status/1204813480815140864
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYou are ignoring it says the Son created everything and everything is held together by his power.
16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
If Paul said that about anyone else, he would have been stoned for blasphemy by the other Christians.
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There is no other valid interpretation. The Son is before all things. That means he existed before anything was made. Only God has existed before anything was made. There is only one God. Therefore the Son is God. Jesus is the Son and is the creator of all things.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostBecause I just quoted the verses in the bible that said it.
There is no time before time.
Revelation 1:8,
Revelation 21:6,
I [am] the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end.
Not: "I am before the beginning and after the end"
Revealtion 22:13,
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
Not: "I am before the first and after the last"
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Originally posted by Geert van den Bos View Post"before" and "after" are relative, time-bound, notions.
There is no time before time.
Revelation 1:8,
Revelation 21:6,
I [am] the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end.
Not: "I am before the beginning and after the end"
Revealtion 22:13,
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
Not: "I am before the first and after the last"
He says he is the Alpha and Omega, the First and Last and the Beginning and End. Titles only God has.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostUm, Revelation 22:13 is Jesus speaking.
He says he is the Alpha and Omega, the First and Last and the Beginning and End. Titles only God has.
To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life for free
for free , German "umsonst"
https://twitter.com/search?q=umsonst...rc=typed_queryLast edited by Geert van den Bos; 12-31-2019, 12:47 PM.
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