John 20:28, My Lord and My God

[Sparko]

Calling one GOD in the Bible does not such one God in nature. Many were called theos and elohim. For example, in Ps 82:6 God says to certain Jews "You are gods (elohim) and you are all sons of the Most High" and these Jews are not Gods.

[Sparko]

The Word (a thing), not Jesus. It does not mention Jesus.

And the θεὸς in John 1:1c is not definite but indefinite , so it cannot be '"God" but should be "a divine" something (as in "a divine thing.")

Granville Sharp disagrees with you.

[Unitarian101]

Granville Sharp disagrees with you.

Could you explain how Granville Sharp factors in John 1:1 ?

[Unitarian101]

God says they are gods, you say they are NOT gods.

Who do you think I believe ?

[Sparko]

Could you explain how Granville Sharp factors in John 1:1 ?

https://truthchallenge.one/blog/2013...d-not-the-god/

also see: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Belie...ille_sharp.htm

[Unitarian101]

https://truthchallenge.one/blog/2013...d-not-the-god/

also see: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Belie...ille_sharp.htm

This person does not seem to know what he is talking about. The Granville Sharp rule 1 has to do with the TSKTS ( article substantive Kai article substantive) construction. At John 1:1c we do not have such a construction ( none of the six variations Sharp listed infact) but a S-PN construction with a be verb ( namely ἦν)..... For starters.

[Sparko]

This person does not seem to know what he is talking about. The Granville Sharp rule 1 has to do with the TSKTS ( article substantive Kai article substantive) construction. At John 1:1c we do not have such a construction ( none of the six variations Sharp listed infact) but a S-PN construction with a be verb ( namely ἦν)..... For starters.

riggght.

[Unitarian101]

riggght.

It's true. I can't imagine anyone who knows Koine defending this nonsense.

[Unitarian101]

In a sub-set proposition the S and the PN cannot both be definite . So for example, if we take both θεὸς (anarthrous) and ὁ λόγος (articular) at John 1:1c as definite nouns, then καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος is not a subset proposition but a convertible proposition . In which case context will determine the Subject.

[Geert van den Bos]

John 1:1-3 does spell it out. You hand wave it away. Colossians 1:15-17 also spells it out clearly. And I have already given you verses that directly call Jesus God. Yet you just dismiss them.

Colossians 1:15 says:

"He is the image of the invisible God"

which is not the same as:

"He is (the invisible) God"

image Greek εἰκὼν

you'll find also in LXX Genesis 1:27,

και εποιησεν ο θεος τον ανθρωπον κατ' εικονα θεου

and God made man after (the) image of God.

[lee_merrill]

Colossians 1:15 says:

"He is the image of the invisible God"

which is not the same as:

"He is (the invisible) God"

image Greek εἰκὼν

you'll find also in LXX Genesis 1:27,

και εποιησεν ο θεος τον ανθρωπον κατ' εικονα θεου

and God made man after (the) image of God.

But "according to" or "after" the image of God is not saying "he is the image of God." The latter is a much stronger statement.

Blessings,
Lee

[Unitarian101]

But "according to" or "after" the image of God is not saying "he is the image of God." The latter is a much stronger statement.

Blessings,
Lee

[Unitarian101]

Colossians 1:15 says:

"He is the image of the invisible God"

which is not the same as:

"He is (the invisible) God"

image Greek εἰκὼν

you'll find also in LXX Genesis 1:27,

και εποιησεν ο θεος τον ανθρωπον κατ' εικονα θεου

and God made man after (the) image of God.

+1

[Sparko]

Colossians 1:15 says:

"He is the image of the invisible God"

which is not the same as:

"He is (the invisible) God"

image Greek εἰκὼν

you'll find also in LXX Genesis 1:27,

και εποιησεν ο θεος τον ανθρωπον κατ' εικονα θεου

and God made man after (the) image of God.

You are ignoring it says the Son created everything and everything is held together by his power.

16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

If Paul said that about anyone else, he would have been stoned for blasphemy by the other Christians.

[Geert van den Bos]

You are ignoring it says the Son created everything and everything is held together by his power.

It doesn't say that,

but "in him"

ἐν αὐτῷ ἐκτίσθη τὰ πάντα = in the image of God everything was created