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Originally posted by DesertBerean View PostIt's thought to be 121 AD.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostThen in that case her argument makes no sense, since that date is well after John wrote his account.
Domitian reigned from 81-96 CE. Hence he was dead before the work came to be composed. However, it might have been employed as a form of address to someone of vastly higher rank."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostThe work now known as the gospel of John is generally dated to the first or second decade of the second century - although some have put it as late as the early middle decades.
Domitian reigned from 81-96 CE. Hence he was dead before the work came to be composed. However, it might have been employed as a form of address to someone of vastly higher rank.Last edited by 37818; 07-14-2020, 04:09 PM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostFunny, some of the oldest NT manuscript fragments are of John P52, P66, P75.
You will find that those papyri all date to no earlier than 200 CE and indeed for P66 much later. Furthermore, P52 is a tiny fragment that measures 8.9 by 6 cm."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostThose are not originals.
You will find that those papyri all date to no earlier than 200 CE and indeed for P66 much later. Furthermore, P52 is a tiny fragment that measures 8.9 by 6 cm.
I was today reading arguments that John was written before 70AD.
I think if you knew God you would be more open minded about it. Noting that you seem not to believe genuine Christians know God, John 17:3, Romans 8:16.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostThose are not originals.
You will find that those papyri all date to no earlier than 200 CE and indeed for P66 much later. Furthermore, P52 is a tiny fragment that measures 8.9 by 6 cm.Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostFirst, who is making the claims that copies are the original?
Originally posted by 37818 View PostI was today reading arguments that John was written before 70AD."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by DesertBerean View PostWho said we had the originals? Wasn't me."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostI am responding to your remarks by pointing out those ancient fragments are not originals.
Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostOn what evidence?. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostWhat evidence do you have that I had made any claim that there are any manuscript fragments of any original autographs of any New Testament document in any way?
Originally posted by 37818 View PostIn John's gospel account there is no evidence that it must have been written after 70AD.
Originally posted by 37818 View PostAs for Matthew Paul and James make reference to the teaching in Matthew 5:33-37, Paul in 2 Corinthians 1:17 and James 5:12. Paul makes a claim according to Jesus' instruction found in Mark 16:15 in Colossians 1:23. And Paul cites from Luke 10:7 as holy scripture in 1 Timothy 5:18."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostWell what you are failing to understand is that the Person of the Son is both not God and and God to mankind. In the words of Jesus, John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
So to put it simply, except you also accept Jesus as the same God you are rejectiong God the Father. Even though the Son is not the Father.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostVery true. In Psalms 82:6, God says to certain Jews "You are "GODS" (i.e. ELOHIM); you are all sons of the Most High.". . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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