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John 20:28, My Lord and My God
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. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostIf the Father is the "ONLY TRUE GOD" in John 17-1-3, how can Jesus be with God if Jesus is God?Last edited by Christian3; 04-22-2020, 12:24 PM.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostIf the Father is the "ONLY TRUE GOD" in John 17-1-3, how can Jesus be with God if Jesus is God?Last edited by 37818; 04-23-2020, 08:36 PM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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You claiming "YHWH is the only true God. Jesus called Him Father. The one true God is one God in three persons, Father His Word (son by relationship) and His spirit" is not correct biblically because this one true God is ONLY the Father because Jesus described the Father as "THE ONLY TRUE GOD" in John 17:1-3. Secodn, the Holy Spirit cannot be God because Jesus denied that anyone knows when his second coming "BUT ONLY THE FATHER" in Matthew 24:36 where Jesus said "of that day and that hour no one knows not even the angels in heaven BUT ONLY THE FATHER"
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostYou claiming "YHWH is the only true God. Jesus called Him Father. The one true God is one God in three persons, Father His Word (son by relationship) and His spirit" is not correct biblically because this one true God is ONLY the Father because Jesus described the Father as "THE ONLY TRUE GOD" in John 17:1-3. Secodn, the Holy Spirit cannot be God because Jesus denied that anyone knows when his second coming "BUT ONLY THE FATHER" in Matthew 24:36 where Jesus said "of that day and that hour no one knows not even the angels in heaven BUT ONLY THE FATHER". . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostJesus explained this to His disciples, Acts 1:7, ". . . And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. . . ." The Son is not the Father.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostYou saying "The Son is not the Father" is true and the Son CANNOT be God because Jesus said in Rev 3:21 " I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne" proving that since God is one, Jesus cannot be God and be with God the Father.
So to put it simply, except you also accept Jesus as the same God you are rejectiong God the Father. Even though the Son is not the Father.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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That is true. Lord being the man, and also being God.
See Matthew 22:43-45, verse 44, the Greek word for Lord is used once of God [YHWH] and then of the man whom David calls Lord. See also Psalms 110:1. Acts 2:34.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostThat is true. Lord being the man, and also being God.
See Matthew 22:43-45, verse 44, the Greek word for Lord is used once of God [YHWH] and then of the man whom David calls Lord. See also Psalms 110:1. Acts 2:34.
"With equal arrogance, when he dictated the form of a letter to be used by his procurators, he began it thus: " Our lord and god commands so and so;" whence it became a rule that no one should style him otherwise either in writing or speaking.""It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostOf course it could be a variant on the mode of address demanded by Domitian. Suetonius in The Twelve Caesars recounts the following:
"With equal arrogance, when he dictated the form of a letter to be used by his procurators, he began it thus: " Our lord and god commands so and so;" whence it became a rule that no one should style him otherwise either in writing or speaking."
In any case that does not change the interpretation I gave, Jesus as both the man and God the Creator. 1 Timothy 2:5, being the man and Colossians 1:16-17, being the Creator, John 1:10.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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