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The word "Jew" in the Bible
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostJerusalem is not mentioned at all.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostMuslims always have been good at eisegesis.
Muhammad is Shlioh:
http://www.islamicweb.com/bible/good4.htm
Muhammad is the son of Man:
http://www.islamicweb.com/bible/good6.htm
Muhammad is the root of Jesse:
http://www.islamawareness.net/Mib/ch6_9.html
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostMuslims always have been good at eisegesis.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostIt gets worse:
Muhammad is Shlioh:
http://www.islamicweb.com/bible/good4.htm
Muhammad is the son of Man:
http://www.islamicweb.com/bible/good6.htm
Muhammad is the root of Jesse:
http://www.islamawareness.net/Mib/ch6_9.html
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So they believe that Jesus, a descendant of Issac (at least on his mother's side), was a great prophet, and also the Messiah, who will rule all the people of the book in the second coming, but they also believe Issac stole Ishmael's birthright? No wonder they're so quick to denounce Jesus as a Jew. What's all the more confounding is that they're willing to pick and choose what they will from the Bible when it suits their needs, and when it doesn't...it's because the scriptures were corrupted. Isn't that convenient.
So, if Muslims don't believe that Jesus was a Jew because of the virgin birth, then who do they claim is his father, if he's not the Son of God (If my memory's correct, they don't believe that Jesus is God, nor the Son of God)?
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostSo they believe that Jesus, a descendant of Issac (at least on his mother's side), was a great prophet, and also the Messiah, who will rule all the people of the book in the second coming, but they also believe Issac stole Ishmael's birthright? No wonder they're so quick to denounce Jesus as a Jew. What's all the more confounding is that they're willing to pick and choose what they will from the Bible when it suits their needs, and when it doesn't...it's because the scriptures were corrupted. Isn't that convenient.
So, if Muslims don't believe that Jesus was a Jew because of the virgin birth, then who do they claim is his father, if he's not the Son of God (If my memory's correct, they don't believe that Jesus is God, nor the Son of God)?
According to Islam, Jesus did not have a father.
According to the author of the Qur'an, Allah has no son and needs a wife in order to have one.
The Qur'an says that Jesus is the Messiah, but the author of the Qur'an does not seem to know what that meant.
Even though the Qur'an says it confirms past revelations and our manuscripts pre-date the Qur'an by several hundred years, Muslims claim that anything that contradicts the Qur'an is corrupted.
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"Iew" is well and truly used in the Bishop's Bible too - about 40 or so years earlier than the King James1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostOnly one Muslim I know of said Jesus was not a Jew; I'm sure most Muslims believe He was a Jew; after all according to the Qur'an Jesus was sent to the Jews.
According to Islam, Jesus did not have a father.
According to the author of the Qur'an, Allah has no son and needs a wife in order to have one.
The Qur'an says that Jesus is the Messiah, but the author of the Qur'an does not seem to know what that meant.
Even though the Qur'an says it confirms past revelations and our manuscripts pre-date the Qur'an by several hundred years, Muslims claim that anything that contradicts the Qur'an is corrupted.
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I'm trying to remember what one of my seminary professors said on the topic but he himself maintained that the concept of "Jew" as most people understood it was a modern invention and that all such biblical mentions should have been translated as "Judean". But this is too far back for me to remember any more than this.
Dr. May and I had a lot of fun disagreeing with each other on stuff."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI'm trying to remember what one of my seminary professors said on the topic but he himself maintained that the concept of "Jew" as most people understood it was a modern invention and that all such biblical mentions should have been translated as "Judean". But this is too far back for me to remember any more than this.
Dr. May and I had a lot of fun disagreeing with each other on stuff.
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostDon't they say that a rose by any other name is still a rose?"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post"Judean" refers to someone from a certain geographical region which isn't what people these days usually mean by the word "Jew".
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostYeah, but when the Bible refers to "Jews", it's clearly referring to more than the geographical location they were born.
"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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