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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSo, that's your point? That's where you're trying to go? This is all about OSAS?. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostAgain, the context Hebrews 10:10-39 does not teach the saved can be lost. As some have suppose. [Pointing out the alleged "if" in v.26.]
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostHebrews 10:26,
. . . εκουσιως γαρ αμαρτανοντων ημων μετα το λαβειν την επιγνωσιν της αληθειας ουκ ετι περι αμαρτιων απολειπεται θυσια. . . .
Has a long standing traditional understanding being translated,
. . . For [if] we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, . . .
Here is the challenge:
. . . For we [do] sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, . . .
How does that reading change your understanding of that text and its context?
And not just these:
. . . we know Him . . . v.30
. . . we are not of them . . . v.39.
Its whole context . . . 10-39.
Here's an excerpt on the passage from Word Biblical Commentary:
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Originally posted by Kbertsche View PostI don't see how your reading makes sense in the context of the paragraph. It seems that v. 29 is expanding on v. 26; the willful sinner is condemned. Willful sin was judged very harshly in the OT as well.
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". . . If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. . . ." -- 1 John 1:8 . . . 2:2.
So how does it not make sense? The argument being that Christ's sacrifice is the only one for sins (Hebrews 10:10, 14, 18, 26).. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Kbertsche View PostNo, it is not.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostAn individual defiant- against Christ and the only sacrific there is. For that there is no forgiveness, v.29.
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Originally posted by John Reece View PostIs each and every sin committed by any and all Christians always the equivalent of "An individual defiant- against Christ and the only sacrific there is"?
The text [Hebrews 10:. . . 10-39] makes a distiction between the saved and the lost who are not Christians.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Sparko View Posthow do you sin unintentionally? give an example.
Originally posted by 37818 View PostBut all sin is willful, even if it be the sin of the santified Christians, is it not?
". . . If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. . . ." -- 1 John 1:8 . . . 2:2.
So how does it not make sense? The argument being that Christ's sacrifice is the only one for sins (Hebrews 10:10, 14, 18, 26).. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View Post. . .
In the OT they had laws that you could break accidentally. That would be an unintentional "sin" - but it was not what we would call a sin today. It would be more like accidentally breaking the speed limit while driving down the road. You had broken a law but you didn't intend to. We don't have such things today. Any sin would be a willful act. Accidentally doing something would have no intention for wrongdoing and would not be held against you as a sin in the first place. You can't accidentally lie for example. You can say something that is wrong unintentionally but that would not be a "lie" - and if you did lie, it would be willful and deliberate. Same with stealing. You could accidentally take something that wasn't yours (mistaken someon else's luggage at the airport for your own for example) but it wouldn't be "stealing" and therefore not a sin.
So I would like Kbertsche to give me an example of how you could accidentally sin today.
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Originally posted by John Reece View PostIs each and every sin committed by any and all Christians always the equivalent of "An individual defiant- against Christ and the only sacrific[e] there is"?. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI was talking to Kbertsche
In the OT they had laws that you could break accidentally. That would be an unintentional "sin" - but it was not what we would call a sin today. It would be more like accidentally breaking the speed limit while driving down the road. You had broken a law but you didn't intend to. We don't have such things today. Any sin would be a willful act. Accidentally doing something would have no intention for wrongdoing and would not be held against you as a sin in the first place. You can't accidentally lie for example. You can say something that is wrong unintentionally but that would not be a "lie" - and if you did lie, it would be willful and deliberate. Same with stealing. You could accidentally take something that wasn't yours (mistaken someon else's luggage at the airport for your own for example) but it wouldn't be "stealing" and therefore not a sin.
So I would like Kbertsche to give me an example of how you could accidentally sin today.
There are a number of Greek and Hebrew words for sin; one of the most common means "to miss the mark", drawing on the image of an archer aiming at a target. This can be done accidentally. We sometimes speak of sins of "omission"; these can be done accidentally.
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Originally posted by Kbertsche View PostI think your definition of sin is much too narrow and restrictive. We can sin "accidentally" today just as they could in the OT.
There are a number of Greek and Hebrew words for sin; one of the most common means "to miss the mark", drawing on the image of an archer aiming at a target. This can be done accidentally. We sometimes speak of sins of "omission"; these can be done accidentally.
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