I have heard that Ohio's heartbeat bill effectively bans the treatment of ectopic pregnancies, which are fatal for women if untreated. I haven't been able to hear the pro-life side of this but I am rather concerned. Has anybody heard more?
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Ohio bill and ectopic pregnancies?
"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill -
I'll try to look into it after Church - I would hope there are some exceptions, just like exceptions to abortion in the case of the mother's life being in actual danger. Maybe by that time, somebody else will have answered.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostThe embryo dies of prematurity. Undesired side effect of trying to save the mom."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostWhat I am hearing is that whoever wrote the law doesn't understand how they work, and pro choicers are having a field day over it.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI have heard that Ohio's heartbeat bill effectively bans the treatment of ectopic pregnancies, which are fatal for women if untreated. I haven't been able to hear the pro-life side of this but I am rather concerned. Has anybody heard more?
Ectopic pregnancies do not fall under this code.That's what
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A similar bill has been proposed in the same state: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...box=1575018221
I grant that the article itself is very biased against the pro-life movement, but I was linked to this article by a pro-life organization I follow that was horrified that this bill was ever proposed.
Frankly, I don't blame outsiders from asking "what's the real goal?" when they see such things."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostA similar bill has been proposed in the same state: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...box=1575018221
I grant that the article itself is very biased against the pro-life movement, but I was linked to this article by a pro-life organization I follow that was horrified that this bill was ever proposed.
Frankly, I don't blame outsiders from asking "what's the real goal?" when they see such things.
I find it hard to believe that the topic of ectopic pregnancies are unknown to anyone who has wrestled with the legal and moral issues of ectopic pregnancies. That said, there are some on the pro life side that see ectopic pregnancy as morally equivalent to the "health and welfare" or mental health of the woman loophole (which practically allows any abortion).
I see this bill as a disaster for pro life, it places the pro life concept in a poor light.
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostI think it was poorly written, the section defining "abortion murder" starts with a disclaimer defining "reasonable medical judgement" as a judgement by any prudent physician, which leaves a pretty wide range of options.
I find it hard to believe that the topic of ectopic pregnancies are unknown to anyone who has wrestled with the legal and moral issues of ectopic pregnancies. That said, there are some on the pro life side that see ectopic pregnancy as morally equivalent to the "health and welfare" or mental health of the woman loophole (which practically allows any abortion).
I see this bill as a disaster for pro life, it places the pro life concept in a poor light.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostDid you read my response?
Few actually read the bills, most seem to take a summary from whatever source they are reading.
My point is that few on the pro life side have really thought through to an ethical position, other than "abortion is wrong". The example of abortion applied to ectopic pregnancies I the case in point. I suspect that it was placed in there without thought, and maybe by an abortion hard liner.
If abortion is wrong in every case, then it is also wrong for the case of the ectopic pregnancy. And the Ohio bill should stand as written. After reading the answers here, I suspect quite a few pro life Christians disagree with the bill as written.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostDid you read my response?"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostA similar bill has been proposed in the same state: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...box=1575018221
I grant that the article itself is very biased against the pro-life movement, but I was linked to this article by a pro-life organization I follow that was horrified that this bill was ever proposed.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostBill?
The bill is 723 pp. The main part is section 2904, lines 5300 to 5380. It creates a new crime, 'aggravated abortion murder". I am not a lawyer, but I wonder if it places the woman as a perpetrator of a violent crime, not a victim of abortion. My read is that it does.
I don't know how it would affect ministries to women who have had abortion. It reminds me of the good old days, when protests at clinics had protesters screaming murderer. It was not effective then, and took some time and effort to change hearts and minds in the pro life camp.Last edited by simplicio; 12-03-2019, 01:45 AM.
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