The nature and history of Executive Orders

[Outis]

Heh. And if they're like most cattle, they mosie along most of the time, but will step right lively when they think it's feeding time.

[Cow Poke]

Heh. And if they're like most cattle, they mosie along most of the time, but will step right lively when they think it's feeding time.

yeah, hence the old rusty ford ranger mentioned in a prior post.

[Juvenal]

Never implied that, lao - that's a bit disingenuous....

So you're not saying those numbers don't count.

but that doesn't change the fact that WITHIN those numbers there can be ONE event that makes a significant impact.

Instead, you're saying those numbers don't count.

And, I'm not arguing... I'm ASKING.

You are too arguing, CP ... but with yourself, it seems.

When you or your evil twin clear the Thunderdome, the victor might want to take a stroll over by here and then over by here, those being links to Obama's and Bush the Lesser's EOs, respectively.

As ever, Jesse

[Cow Poke]

So you're not saying those numbers don't count.

yes

Instead, you're saying those numbers don't count.

No

You are too arguing, CP

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AM NOT!!!

When you or your evil twin clear the Thunderdome, the victor might want to take a stroll over by here and then over by here, those being links to Obama's and Bush the Lesser's EOs, respectively.

As ever, Jesse

I am concerned that the current administration is moving in a direction that is not reflected in "the numbers", lao. Obama is a different breed of cat. PERIOD.

[Outis]

Obama is a different breed of cat. PERIOD.

Says who? And with what evidence?

[Cow Poke]

Says who? And with what evidence?

He has clearly announced his intention to go around congress. You missed that? The whole "I have a pen and a phone" thing?

[Outis]

He has clearly announced his intention to go around congress. You missed that? The whole "I have a pen and a phone" thing?

Um ... no. He has clearly announced his intentions to do what he can within the scope of his authority. He's made that quite clear ... but somehow the folks on the right keep missing that part.

[Cow Poke]

Um ... no. He has clearly announced his intentions to do what he can within the scope of his authority.

ummmm.. no... within the scope of his authority as HE SEES IT

He's made that quite clear ... but somehow the folks on the right keep missing that part.

And somehow the folks on the left keep falling for his .. um... "misstatements". PERIOD.

[Outis]

ummmm.. no... within the scope of his authority as HE SEES IT

Point me out anything--_ANYTHING_--where he's exceeded his authority.

And somehow the folks on the left keep falling for his .. um... "misstatements". PERIOD.

Seems to me there has been a lot more spin from the right about "mis-statements" than actual mis-statements. Obama's not perfect, to be sure, but when people only look at the bad things, it's easy to get a very distorted understanding of the truth.

[Darth Executor]

He has clearly announced his intention to go around congress.

As I linked earlier, he not only announced his intention to go around congress, he did, in fact, go around congress.

[Darth Executor]

Obama's not perfect

That's an understatement when talking about a guy who goes to the mat to protect a woman's right to vacuum her unborn child's brains out.

[Cow Poke]

Point me out anything--_ANYTHING_--where he's exceeded his authority.

JONATHAN TURLEY: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The danger is quite severe. The problem with what the president is doing is that he's not simply posing a danger to the constitutional system. He's becoming the very danger the Constitution was designed to avoid. That is the concentration of power in every single branch.

This Newtonian orbit that the three branches exist in is a delicate one but it is designed to prevent this type of concentration. There is two trends going on which should be of equal concern to all members of Congress. One is that we have had the radical expansion of presidential powers under both President Bush and President Obama. We have what many once called an imperial presidency model of largely unchecked authority. And with that trend we also have the continued rise of this fourth branch. We have agencies that are quite large that issue regulations. The Supreme Court said recently that agencies could actually define their own or interpret their own jurisdiction. (House hearing, December 3, 2013)

Seems to me there has been a lot more spin from the right about "mis-statements" than actual mis-statements. Obama's not perfect, to be sure, but when people only look at the bad things, it's easy to get a very distorted understanding of the truth.

Some of the liberals are beginning to realize that Obama is setting a dangerous precedent -- and that a possible subsequent Republican president may continue the trend.

[Outis]

One is that we have had the radical expansion of presidential powers under both President Bush and President Obama.

Specifics, CP, not generalities. Where has President Obama overstepped his authority? (And I admit, I'd much rather hear your thoughts than quotes from others.)

Also, as a favor to me--no videos, please. I don't watch them.

[One Bad Pig]

Specifics, CP, not generalities. Where has President Obama overstepped his authority? (And I admit, I'd much rather hear your thoughts than quotes from others.)

For starters, every unilateral delay in enforcing Obamacare. Where does the president have the power to temporarily suspend laws?

Second, his Executive Order end-around the DREAM Act he didn't get (and this after he claimed he didn't have the power to do that).

[Cow Poke]

Also, as a favor to me--no videos, please. I don't watch them.

It was a summary of Obama blasting Bush for abusing the Constitution by issuing executive orders. He was complaining about George Bush bringing "more and more power into the Executive Branch", and claiming that's what he intends to reverse.