Anti-Christian bigotry in Toronto?

[Darth Ovious]

Apparently there have been instances of people banned from proselytizing in Toronto. Specifically Voices of the Nations have been denied a permit for a concert in this regards.

Thoughts?

[Starlight]

Thoughts?

Two-thirds of Canadians identify as Christian, and while Toronto is slightly more diverse, still a majority of people in Toronto (57%) identify as Christian.

[KingsGambit]

I would need more information. In the US, there was a Supreme Court case (Ward v Rock Against Racism) where it was determined that a rock concert permit could be denied (due to noise concerns) and that it wasn't inherently a free speech issue. A video presenting one side of the issue isn't enough for an informed opinion.

[Cow Poke]

Wow, at 5:35 into the video....

it doesn't matter if it's speaking or singing. Either way, if you're "Praising Jesus", and "Praise the Lord", and "There's not God like Jehovah", that type of thing that's proselytizing....

"Praising Jesus" is proselytizing?

[Cow Poke]

I would need more information. In the US, there was a Supreme Court case (Ward v Rock Against Racism) where it was determined that a rock concert permit could be denied (due to noise concerns) and that it wasn't inherently a free speech issue. A video presenting one side of the issue isn't enough for an informed opinion.

Well, the issue seemed to be that they had a microphone and amp, for which they probably needed a permit - I don't think the Islam guys had powered equipment, so.... yeah, they could be violating a legitimate law there.

[Cow Poke]

Two-thirds of Canadians identify as Christian, and while Toronto is slightly more diverse, still a majority of people in Toronto (57%) identify as Christian.

So?

[mossrose]

John 15

[Starlight]

So?

People believing they are being persecuted when they are part of the majority shows a certain level of delusion on their part.

[Adam]

When Kim Davis gets thrown into jail just for doing her job as mandated by Kentucky state law, Christians are being persecuted because of un-PC conduct. One is no longer allowed to plead duty when it stands in the way of the LGBT agenda against Christianity. Several other special interests have similar Political Correctness impositions of judicial activism (i. e., tyranny).

[Starlight]

When Kim Davis gets thrown into jail just for doing her job as mandated by Kentucky state law,

Kim Davis is hardly the only Christian in the country, but she's the only one who ended up in jail for her religious beliefs on this topic, and she was put there by a George W Bush appointed judge who is described as a "devout Catholic". When devout Christians are jailing devout Christians, I don't think you can claim it's persecution of Christianity.

I guess you could label it something like "persecution of the heretics".

One is no longer allowed to plead duty when it stands in the way of the LGBT agenda against Christianity.

One of my best friends helps run a church that has special pro-gay services for gay Christians. I imagine most people there would roll on the floor laughing if they heard you say there was an LGBT agenda against Christianity. I've seen you yourself talk in the past of knowing multiple gay Christians at your own churches. I assume you recognize that those gay Christians didn't have an agenda against Christianity?

What exactly does this alleged anti-Christian agenda consist of, anyway?

judicial activism (i. e., tyranny).

I'm amused, in general, by how upset Americans get at the Supreme court when it rules in a way they don't like, as compared to how much they get behind rulings they do like and say "you've got to do this, it's the law now, it's constitutional, because the Supreme court said so!" We don't have a constitution here, so I find the whole process weird.

[hamster]

Two-thirds of Canadians identify as Christian, and while Toronto is slightly more diverse, still a majority of people in Toronto (57%) identify as Christian.

Christians persecute other Christians all the time. Protestants and Catholics are both Christians for example... they've always gotten along wonderful..

[Starlight]

Christians persecute other Christians all the time. Protestants and Catholics are both Christians for example... they've always gotten along wonderful..

Sure, but that's not "anti-Christian bigotry" like the OP claimed, that's "persecute the heretics!" which is quite a different phenomena and the blame for that belongs with Christians.

[Abigail]

People believing they are being persecuted when they are part of the majority shows a certain level of delusion on their part.

That is just idiotic. I am sure you would not have made such a statement to black people under apartheid in South Africa - and they outnumbered white people by 38:1 or something.

[Adam]

One of my best friends helps run a church that has special pro-gay services for gay Christians. I imagine most people there would roll on the floor laughing if they heard you say there was an LGBT agenda against Christianity. I've seen you yourself talk in the past of knowing multiple gay Christians at your own churches. I assume you recognize that those gay Christians didn't have an agenda against Christianity?

What exactly does this alleged anti-Christian agenda consist of, anyway?

I'm amused, in general, by how upset Americans get at the Supreme court when it rules in a way they don't like, as compared to how much they get behind rulings they do like and say "you've got to do this, it's the law now, it's constitutional, because the Supreme court said so!" We don't have a constitution here, so I find the whole process weird.

[Adam]

Christians persecute other Christians all the time. Protestants and Catholics are both Christians for example... they've always gotten along wonderful..

Reminds me of Martin Niemoller, the German (fellow) Lutheran who always said something like, "They came for the Gypsies, but I wasn't a Gypsy, so I did nothing. They came for the Baptists, but I wasn't a Baptist, so I did nothing. They came for the Jews, but I wasn't a Jew, so I did nothing. Then they came for the Christians...."
Part of the indifference toward the anti-Christian persecution of Kim Davis is that most Christians are so narrow-minded that they exclude Mormons, JWs, and various other Restorationist sects as not Christian. (Christian Forums applied strictly would not recognize Church of Christ and Christian Church members as Christians since they regard themselves as THE Christians because they hark back to the CHURCH before the Nicene Creed.) Kim Davis is not Restorationist, but is a member of the Oneness cult the United Pentecostal Church. "When they came for her, I was not United Pentecostal so...."

I'm in the process of changing denominations. Should I choose United Pentecostal to take my stand in the docks?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...