Should LOW IQ Persons Be Invountarily STERILIZED

[lilpixieofterror]

maybe you're right.

I though communism's problem was Russians and Eastern Asians who have a horrible history of barbarity.

I hoped Americans weren't like that and I started that Are Americans Good People thread

.....but you're probably right, maybe Americans today are the same ones who murdered and chased the indigenous peoples off their hunting lands and enslaved kidnapped Africans and their children

Hummm, considering that many of us are descends of those American Indians and therefore it's inaccurate to claim they were 'murdered' since there's still millions of them and millions more with some ancestor that were part of the indigenous population. Likewise, last I checked, the ancestors of most modern blacks were actually captured by Europeans and brought over to the America's in some cases by Europeans and later on, by Americans (which I might add, was made illegal early on in US history). You're claims are rather inaccurate and questionable (to say the least), just as your claims about the disabled are rather inaccurate and questionable.

[Teallaura]

Um, off topic - have you actually read "Animal Farm", JR?

[jordanriver]

Um, off topic - have you actually read "Animal Farm", JR?

yes.

question, why do capitalists think citing Animal Farm justifies Capitalism.

Capitalists are the villains and the egalitarians are the good guys .

The invasion by the surrounding farmers imitates the intolerant Western "democracies" (Capitalists) who invaded to help the "White" Russians defeat the Bolsheviks (who won anyway) th UK, France and the USA interfering in the Russian CIVIL War.

The Capitalist Pigs pretending to be egalitarian leaders of the animals while trading for personal profit with the other farms.


.........have you read it?

[jordanriver]

Hummm, considering that many of us are descends of those American Indians and therefore it's inaccurate to claim they were 'murdered' since there's still millions of them and millions more with some ancestor that were part of the indigenous population. Likewise, last I checked, the ancestors of most modern blacks were actually captured by Europeans and brought over to the America's in some cases by Europeans and later on, by Americans (which I might add, was made illegal early on in US history). You're claims are rather inaccurate and questionable (to say the least), just as your claims about the disabled are rather inaccurate and questionable.

you really believe your bs

[jordanriver]

Par for the course with jordanriver. I tried to engage him on Acts 4 earlier and he would do nothing more than repeatedly assert his position and refused to answer any questions on why he interprets the text the way he does. That won't fly on a debate site.

"sell all you have , give it to the poor"

jubilee

easier for camel pass through the eye of needle than rich man see kingdom of heaven

Jesus kicking over the tables of the money lenders

and the Apostles living in a collective

.....I see a pattern here , don't you.

[lilpixieofterror]

you really believe your bs

So it's not true that millions of modern American's are dependents of the native population?

It's not true that Europeans brought slaves to the new world?

It's not true that the US government made the slave trade illegal to the US, in the early 19th century, and the African squadron (using ships like the USS Constellation) didn't really exist?

Wow... go ahead... name a single fact I got wrong. I'll be waiting.

[lilpixieofterror]

yes.

question, why do capitalists think citing Animal Farm justifies Capitalism.

Capitalists are the villains and the egalitarians are the good guys .

The invasion by the surrounding farmers imitates the intolerant Western "democracies" (Capitalists) who invaded to help the "White" Russians defeat the Bolsheviks (who won anyway) th UK, France and the USA interfering in the Russian CIVIL War.

The Capitalist Pigs pretending to be egalitarian leaders of the animals while trading for personal profit with the other farms.


.........have you read it?

And JR pretends that his communist friends didn't end up murdering millions of their own people and stealing their stuff after they were done murdering them.

[jordanriver]

So it's not true that millions of modern American's are dependents of the native population?

It's not true that Europeans brought slaves to the new world?

It's not true that the US government made the slave trade illegal to the US, in the early 19th century, and the African squadron (using ships like the USS Constellation) didn't really exist?

Wow... go ahead... name a single fact I got wrong. I'll be waiting.

so the trail of tears never happened


so the Europeans are the ones who "enslaved" Africans and there was no slave trade in America?

[lilpixieofterror]

so the trail of tears never happened

The Trail of Tears was over 150 years ago.

so the Europeans are the ones who "enslaved" Africans and there was no slave trade in America?

Slavery was made illegal 150 years ago with the passing of the 13th amendment.

Can you find something that happened in the last century because believe it or not, dependents of the natives really do exist and slavery hasn't been legal in well over 6 generations. On the other hand, your communist friends are currently busy murdering people in the modern day.

[Christianbookworm]

How can any government run by fallible humans ever be perfect? Utopias are impossible for humans to make. That would require an act of God.

[jordanriver]

The Trail of Tears was over 150 years ago.



Slavery was made illegal 150 years ago with the passing of the 13th amendment.

Can you find something that happened in the last century because believe it or not, dependents of the natives really do exist and slavery hasn't been legal in well over 6 generations. On the other hand, your communist friends are currently busy murdering people in the modern day.

ah I see. You only want to present Capitalism' finished product,

The sausage when its packaged in its shiny plastic packaging and appetizing links an a platter or grilled breakfast patties on a clean breakfast buffet.

But Communism you only show how the sausage is made, slaughtering the pig, saving the snout and ears and eyeballs and gonads for the ingredients wrapped in intestines

[lilpixieofterror]

ah I see. You only want to present Capitalism' finished product,

The sausage when its packaged in its shiny plastic packaging and appetizing links an a platter or grilled breakfast patties on a clean breakfast buffet.

But Communism you only show how the sausage is made, slaughtering the pig, saving the snout and ears and eyeballs and gonads for the ingredients wrapped in intestines

Capitalist didn't murder people on the scales that your communist friends did and it's been over a century since people have tried communism and it seems all communism was able to produce, in abundance, was massive amounts of poverty and piles of dead bodies. How many more piles of skulls will it take before you realize that communism is a total and complete failure and should be thrown into the dust bin of history?

[jordanriver]

Capitalist didn't murder people on the scales that your communist friends did and it's been over a century since people have tried communism and it seems all communism was able to produce, in abundance, was massive amounts of poverty and piles of dead bodies. How many more piles of skulls will it take before you realize that communism is a total and complete failure and should be thrown into the dust bin of history?

are you bipolar?

you defend Americans one minute.

and the next minute you suggest Americans are capable of Russian-style and Cambodian-style and North Korean-style atrocities

[Teallaura]

yes.

question, why do capitalists think citing Animal Farm justifies Capitalism.

Capitalists are the villains and the egalitarians are the good guys .

The invasion by the surrounding farmers imitates the intolerant Western "democracies" (Capitalists) who invaded to help the "White" Russians defeat the Bolsheviks (who won anyway) th UK, France and the USA interfering in the Russian CIVIL War.

The Capitalist Pigs pretending to be egalitarian leaders of the animals while trading for personal profit with the other farms.


.........have you read it?

Yep, I've read it - and the pigs were in control long before the farmers tried (and failed) to invade. As I recall, the pigs sold out their animal brethren, not from an allegiance to capitalism, but as the natural consequence of 'human' corruption. The communist pigs were 'more equal' and eventually became indistinguishable from their human, capitalist, counterparts. It's a cautionary tale about the dangers of power w/i a communist system and has nothing to do with justifying capitalism. Why do you assume that? My question was prompted by your avatar which gets it so grossly wrong.

[jordanriver]

Yep, I've read it - and the pigs were in control long before the farmers tried (and failed) to invade. As I recall, the pigs sold out their animal brethren, not from an allegiance to capitalism, but as the natural consequence of 'human' corruption. The communist pigs were 'more equal' and eventually became indistinguishable from their human, capitalist, counterparts. It's a cautionary tale about the dangers of power w/i a communist system and has nothing to do with justifying capitalism. Why do you assume that? My question was prompted by your avatar which gets it so grossly wrong.

ok, first off I never said the book was about justifying capitalism.

I know its not about justifying capitalism.

Why do you think I asked "WHY do capitalists think citing Animal Farm justifies Capitalism".

I said capitalists use it to justify capitalism. Then I clearly said the book's villains were capitalists, so why would I be saying it justifies capitalism.

more likely it CONDEMNS capitalists, .....Orwell used PIGS for crying out loud to portray capitalists, GREEDY FREAKING PIGS!

It's a cautionary tale about the dangers of power w/i a communist system

I could argue it's a cautionary tale about the dangers of malicious duplicitous capitalists and trusting somebody just because they claim to be egalitarian.

George Orwell was a Socialist after all,

..... albeit anti-Communist .... but anti-Capitalist too:

Source: GEORGE ORWELL: An Age Like This, 1920-1940 P 337

Why I Joined the Independent Labour Party
To begin with, the era of free speech is closing down. The freedom of the press in Britain was always something of a fake, because in the last resort, money controls opinion; still, so long as the legal right to say what you like exists, there are always loopholes for an unorthodox writer. For some years past I have managed to make the capitalist class pay me several pounds a week for writing books against capitalism. But I do not delude myself that this state of affairs is going to last forever. We have seen what has happened too the freedom of the press in Italy and Germany, and it will happen here sooner or later. The time is coming--not next year, perhaps not for ten or twenty years, but it is coming--when every writer will have the choice of being silenced altogether or of producing the dope that a privileged minority demands.
I have got to struggle against that just as I have got to struggle against castor oil, rubber truncheons and concentration camps. And the only regime which, in the long run, will dare to permit freedom of speech is a Socialist regime. If Fascism triumphs I am finished as a writer--that is to say, finished in my only effective capacity. That of itself would be sufficient reason for joining a Socialist party.

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Source: HOMAGE TO CATALONIA George Orwell Chapter 8

is the idea of equality; to the vast majority of people Socialism means a classless society, or it means nothing at all. And it was here that those few months in the militia were valuable to me. For the Spanish militias, while they lasted, were a sort of microcosm of a classless society. In that community where no one was on the make, where there was a shortage of everything but no privilege and no boot-licking, one got, perhaps, a crude forecast of what the opening stages of Socialism might be like. And, after all, instead of disillusioning me it deeply attracted me. The effect was to make my desire to see Socialism established much more actual than it had been before.

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