Questions for Obama supporters

[Cow Poke]

somebody needs to bring this thing back down to earth

[Zymologist]

Get your head outta the clouds.

[rogue06]

Questions for Newton supporters:

1. Do you think gravity is a good idea?
---2. If so, have you used it yet?
------3. Is it saving your aching back?

Good grief, guys, newsflash: The most controversial element of Obamacare, pushed by Obama, the liberal, came from the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank. It doesn't have to be, and shouldn't be, a partisan issue. Judge it on its merits, not by whether you like the president or not.

Proving that conservatives can come up with bad ideas too. Why is it that the liberals picked up one of their stinkers and ran with it?

[Sam]

Proving that conservatives can come up with bad ideas too. Why is it that the liberals picked up one of their stinkers and ran with it?

[Darth Executor]

Because if one wants to do things like eliminate the ability to discriminate based on things like gender, pre-existing conditions and so on, one needs to find a way to balance the ratio of sicker patients with healthier patients.

There is no need to do things like eliminate the ability to discriminate based on relevant factors. We can simply institute a liberalism tax and have people like you pay for the health care costs of everybody who can't afford them.

[Sparko]

Maybe we could fund free healthcare for everyone in the USA by conquering the world and making them pay for it. Let's start with Canada.

[Sparko]

Proving that conservatives can come up with bad ideas too. Why is it that the liberals picked up one of their stinkers and ran with it?

Apparently so people like Sam can have a way to blame Republicans when their plans fall apart.

[Zymologist]

I would hardly call what the Democrats (and especially Obama) have been doing with Obamacare "taking responsibility".

[Sparko]

Sam, as a liberal, would you answer the questions in the OP?

[Sam]

Sam, as a liberal, would you answer the questions in the OP?

[Cow Poke]

2) No; given my rather uncommon childrearing/work situation, my income is low enough to qualify for Medicaid but my family support system is relatively well-off. We decided that utilizing the exchanges (and when you qualify for Medicaid on the exchanges, you go on Medicaid) wouldn't be right. So when my non-ACA compliant plan was "canceled," I was rolled into a similar, though compliant, plan by default. Premiums are only slightly higher after the shift.

May I ask what your deductible was before, and now?

Thanks

[Sparko]

I did some checking on healthcare.gov. The quickie chart says it "could" save me money in monthly premiums but would not save me in yearly healthcare costs. Who cares about "premiums" by themselves? It is the overall healthcare costs that matter. If the premiums end up making you pay more per year than you are now in healthcare costs, then you lose. If the premiums are cheaper but the healthcare costs per year go up (and the chart was for a typical person, not even someone with serious chronic illness) then you still lose.

Yet someone who is on medicaid "wins" because the rest of us end up paying more? Doesn't sound fair to me.

[Sam]

May I ask what your deductible was before, and now?

Thanks

$5,000/$5,000

[Cow Poke]

$5,000/$5,000

That sure doesn't square with what I've checked out for a wide range of people in my community, Sam, but I have no reason not to take you at your word.

I think, if there were glowing success stories, the Obama admin would be parading them for all to see.... I've searched, and I find things like a lesbian couple in California who were paying 1300 a month for insurance, but with Obamacare, they only pay 142 a month due to subsidies. So, rather than pay their OWN health insurance, I get to pay mine and theirs TOO. The article goes on to admit that their deductible is higher, but this is "one of the success stories you never hear about".

The article also mentioned that their previous provider "decided to tighten its rules", but doesn't indicate whether this may have been a result of Obama's "if you like your health insurance (and I don't think it's a crappy plan) you can keep it --- PERIOD.

So, in this "success story", a lesbian couple gets WAY cheaper premiums, higher deductible, and the taxpayers foot the difference.

[Zymologist]

I have heard precious few success stories, but I have heard quite a few that weren't positive in the least. For some reason, these stories seem to get dismissed altogether.

It very much appears that no counter evidence is even possible, in the Obamacare debate.