Impending Minimum Wage hike causing restaurants to close

[jordanriver]

You just don't get it. It has nothing to do with hours worked, it's about how easily the employee can be replaced, and when you can take a typical low-information liberal and teach him to flip burgers in less than half-a-day, he is very easily replaced, so he doesn't get paid like he's irreplaceable.

I know 4 churches populated by burger flippers and janitors who hate liberals.
I love these conservative brothers and sisters and don't like the idea that they are replaceable disposable human beings

[jordanriver]

EGGzackly --- go to the head of the class!



And why is THAT?

easy.
So that they are easily disposable

[Cow Poke]

If you want to answer that question for yourself, you are free to do your own work.

WHAT?!?!?! The GOOGLEMEISTER is PUNTING?!?!?!

Since the argument is largely that unskilled labor is worth as much or less than the current minimum wage, my argument doesn't rely on that labor being flipping burgers,

That's what the last several pages have been about.

waiting tables or packing peanuts. The total number of full-time workers making minimum wage or less is more relevant to a discussion about the minimum wage than the percentage of those workers who are line cooks.

LINE COOKS?

You're a funny funny guy.

[Cow Poke]

easy.
So that they are easily disposable

Well, that would be a conspiracy theory approach, I suppose ---

The question was --- employers don't like to hire full time employees. Why is that?

Now, it would be SILLY to have an employee trained to flip burgers (or do any other menial task) and not keep them, once I have them trained and operating. It's incredibly naive to believe any employer would want them to be "disposable", like the red shirts on Star Trek.

A better answer is that all kinds of other expenses kick in when an employee becomes "full time" -- It's WAY more expensive for an employer to have full time employees for menial labor, including a wide range of unfunded government mandates.

Just like when my company approached 50 employees -- we held off for as long as we could with 49 full time employees, because once we crossed the 50 thresshold, there were ALL KINDS of government regs and reporting and additional expenses that kicked in. We did it, though, and were at 800 employees when I cashed out.

[Cow Poke]

I know 4 churches populated by burger flippers and janitors who hate liberals.
I love these conservative brothers and sisters and don't like the idea that they are replaceable disposable human beings

Who forced them to take these jobs? Somebody put a gun to their heads? When they accepted these jobs, were they TRICKED into believing they were high paying jobs? And now they can't quit for fear of being hunted down and killed or something?

[jordanriver]

Who forced them to take these jobs? Somebody put a gun to their heads? When they accepted these jobs, were they TRICKED into believing they were high paying jobs? And now they can't quit for fear of being hunted down and killed or something?

God Bless 'em....
they're doing the best they can
...a couple washes dishes and I think they are eligible for disability but don't believe in that..

They are not disposable. They are human beings

[Cow Poke]

God Bless 'em....
they're doing the best they can
...a couple washes dishes and I think they are eligible for disability but don't believe in that..

Cool

They are not disposable. They are human beings

And that "disposable" nonsense is your own evil invention - NONE of us believes that.

[Sam]

WHAT?!?!?! The GOOGLEMEISTER is PUNTING?!?!?!



That's what the last several pages have been about.



LINE COOKS?

You're a funny funny guy.

I like people to be able to make their own arguments with their own supporting data. Keeps 'em from wasting time.

[jordanriver]

Cool



And that "disposable" nonsense is your own evil invention - NONE of us believes that.

what do you think "very easily replaced" means?

[Mountain Man]

I know 4 churches populated by burger flippers and janitors who hate liberals.
I love these conservative brothers and sisters and don't like the idea that they are replaceable disposable human beings

"Replaceable disposable human beings"? Get that strawman out of here. I never said that they were replaceable as human beings, but as employees in no-skill entry level jobs, you'd better believe they are easily replaced, and that's why those kinds of jobs don't command high salaries.

"You don't want to flip burgers for minimum wage? Fine. I have two-dozen applications in my hand from people who will. Don't let the door hit you on the way out."

[Cow Poke]

what do you think "very easily replaced" means?

It means "very easily replaced". Not quite the same as "disposable".

Now, IF they were interested in keeping their job, they could BECOME "not very easily replaced" --- for example, if they were more prompt than the others, or more dependable, or were more flexible as to being called in for no-shows....

If all they do is show up and do the minimum required work to get a pay check -- THEN they are very easily replaced.



You're a girl, aren't you?

[jordanriver]

Who else's interest is corporate acting on behalf of, when they fire a division, (IOW, send them packing off to McDonalds or KFC), after replacing them with robotics

That has ZERO to do with the minimum wage argument.

yes it does.

It shows how easy it is in this American system to be "secure" one day, have a nice job with good wages, good benefits, and in a day, your job is gone to some other country
...and the next thing you know, you have to take a MINIMUM WAGE job at McDonalds or KFC...

or replaced by robotics

...or replaced by contractors.

yeah, at any time with the status quo, you can be fired , ...but still allowed to stay doing the same work , but through a temp agency

[Cow Poke]

yes it does.

Nope. Does not.

It shows how easy it is in this American system to be "secure" one day, have a nice job with good wages, good benefits, and in a day, your job is gone to some other country
...and the next thing you know, you have to take a MINIMUM WAGE job at McDonalds or KFC...

WOW! That's quite a leap! You have quite an active imagination!

or replaced by robotics

...or replaced by contractors.

yeah, at any time with the status quo, you can be fired , ...but still allowed to stay doing the same work , but through a temp agency

And the thought police come and drag you to McDonalds and force you to flip burgers for $8.00/hr!

[Sam]

You just don't get it. It has nothing to do with hours worked, it's about how easily the employee can be replaced, and when you can take a typical low-information liberal and teach him to flip burgers in less than half-a-day, he is very easily replaced, so he doesn't get paid like he's irreplaceable.

And yet the same type of work paid much more per hour in 1968 than it does today. $15/hour isn't what "irreplaceable" employees are paid, any road.

[jordanriver]

Nope. Does not.



WOW! That's quite a leap! You have quite an active imagination!



And the thought police come and drag you to McDonalds and force you to flip burgers for $8.00/hr!

ah yes,
they have the choice to reopen the factory

or they can start their own business huh.


and they can lose the last shirt they have doing that.

no, they dont have to go to McDonalds or KFC or Service Master, they can sit at home till the bank takes it and they are free to live under the bridge