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[Mountain Man]

Whatever Obama's faults were, he looks like saintly genius when compared to the current disaster...

We disagree there.

[CivilDiscourse]

Even if we assume 90% of attributed coronavirus deaths are misreported there have still been more than 50% more deaths from it than H1N1. Can you really not agree that at least by that measure he has done worse? And coronavirus is by no means contained so that number will inexorably continue to rise.

Wait, I thought it was wrong to compare COVID to the flu. Why are you doing that?

[LiconaFan97]

Wait, I thought it was wrong to compare COVID to the flu. Why are you doing that?

I'm not sure what you mean. It's certainly wrong to compare COVID to the seasonal flu since by Trump's own words it's far more deadly. I'm comparing one health crisis to another.

[CivilDiscourse]

I'm not sure what you mean. It's certainly wrong to compare COVID to the seasonal flu since by Trump's own words it's far more deadly. I'm comparing one health crisis to another.

Though, if you want to compare numbers. Here's one.

H1N1 infected between 43 million and 89 million people across the United States, between April 2009 and April 2010, according to the CDC. Though not as deadly as COVID-19, local health officials were prepared for the worst when H1N1 showed up on their radar.

So far for Covid 19, 6.6 Million cases. If we pro-rate that for a year it's only 15 million, less than half the low-end estimate of the number of H1N1 Cases. Meaning from a stopping the spread standpoint, Obama did objectively worse, about 3 times worse by the accepted 60 mil number. The only thing that saved him was that H1N1 wasn't as deadly as COVID.

[Mountain Man]

The only thing that saved him was that H1N1 wasn't as deadly as COVID.

And the deadliness of the China flu has been greatly exaggerated.

[LiconaFan97]

Though, if you want to compare numbers. Here's one.

H1N1 infected between 43 million and 89 million people across the United States, between April 2009 and April 2010, according to the CDC. Though not as deadly as COVID-19, local health officials were prepared for the worst when H1N1 showed up on their radar.

So far for Covid 19, 6.6 Million cases. If we pro-rate that for a year it's only 15 million, less than half the low-end estimate of the number of H1N1 Cases. Meaning from a stopping the spread standpoint, Obama did objectively worse, about 3 times worse by the accepted 60 mil number. The only thing that saved him was that H1N1 wasn't as deadly as COVID.

And many fewer died even if we discount 90% of COVID deaths so far. What's your point?

[CivilDiscourse]

And many fewer died even if we discount 90% of COVID deaths so far. What's your point?

If H1N1 had the same mortality rate, it would've been even worse than Trump. The only difference is H1N1 had a much lower mortality rate. So the death rate comparison is pretty much a second order comparison.

[LiconaFan97]

If H1N1 had the same mortality rate, it would've been even worse than Trump. The only difference is H1N1 had a much lower mortality rate. So the death rate comparison is pretty much a second order comparison.

If H1N1 were as deadly as COVID I'm sure more herculean steps would have been taken to address it. Remember, COVID has killed more even if we discount 90% of the deaths. Before that election we can probably raise that to 95%.

Can you define "second order effect" as you're using it? I'm kind of lost on how number of deaths (or deaths + long term health impact) is not the primary metric used to compare.

[CivilDiscourse]

If H1N1 were as deadly as COVID I'm sure more herculean steps would have been taken to address it. Remember, COVID has killed more even if we discount 90% of the deaths. Before that election we can probably raise that to 95%.

Can you define "second order effect" as you're using it? I'm kind of lost on how number of deaths (or deaths + long term health impact) is not the primary metric used to compare.

# of deaths = Mortality Rate * # of cases.

H1N1 = Lower Mortality Rate * much much higher # of cases
Covid = Much Much Higher Mortality Rate * Much lower # of cases

In other words, you measuring something that relies on multiple metrics

[LiconaFan97]

# of deaths = Mortality Rate * # of cases.

H1N1 = Lower Mortality Rate * much much higher # of cases
Covid = Much Much Higher Mortality Rate * Much lower # of cases

In other words, you measuring something that relies on multiple metrics

The mortality rate is already a measure of how many deaths compared to the number of cases. Just because you multiplied by the number of cases to get back to the total number of deaths doesn't transform the number of deaths into a second order effect.

I could do similar math and write

# of cases = 1 / (mortality rate / # of deaths) and conclude that the number of cases is a second order effect.

[oxmixmudd]

Though, if you want to compare numbers. Here's one.

H1N1 infected between 43 million and 89 million people across the United States, between April 2009 and April 2010, according to the CDC. Though not as deadly as COVID-19, local health officials were prepared for the worst when H1N1 showed up on their radar.

So far for Covid 19, 6.6 Million cases. If we pro-rate that for a year it's only 15 million, less than half the low-end estimate of the number of H1N1 Cases. Meaning from a stopping the spread standpoint, Obama did objectively worse, about 3 times worse by the accepted 60 mil number. The only thing that saved him was that H1N1 wasn't as deadly as COVID.

Oh good grief. And you don't suppose that the shutdown and nearly universal mask wearing had anything to do with that a reduction in the total number of cases Measures Trump foughtvtooth and nail. And for H1N1 there was no need to. H1n1 did not present anywhere the threat of covid and no one would have even considered the extreme measures needed for covid 19 as prudent for H1N1. Covid19 Had early mortalities of 5 to 10%. There was no knowledge in terms of proper patient care, no clear understanding wrt asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic cases. And the long term effects of covid are far more common and far worse than H1N1.

I just dont understand it when people come up with such crazy arguments about covid. Is it just ignorance? I hope so from a moral perspective, but there is no valid excuse for being this ignorant of the realities at this point.

[Ronson]

I can give you details. And I watch and listen to far more than one single source, which includes fox. However, I can tell you by watching all those sources and looking at the different ways stories are reported, especially on fox, I can indeed tell you that the primary people looking at these issues through a bias 'filter' is those of you backing Trump. Further, there is no more filtered view of the word on a network/cable new outlet than that of Fox.

You contributed to the thread about the Labor Day news conference, where I said the best source is straight to the source - without filters. But you guys just keep assuming people here watch Fox News. They're as bad as the rest.

[oxmixmudd]

You contributed to the thread about the Labor Day news conference, where I said the best source is straight to the source - without filters. But you guys just keep assuming people here watch Fox News. They're as bad as the rest.

And here is a perfect example of your lack of reading skills. Go back and look through that post and find anywhere where I made any declarations about what news you watch.

Apply that to whatever sources you watch and it is no wonder you are being led by the nose ... whatever those sources are.

As for my comment in the other thread?m, you clearly didn't quite grasp that one either.

[rogue06]

You have to be kidding. Voting for the democratic ticket at this point is an act of desperation. Trump is in the hands of putin...

Undeniable proof that TDS is still alive and well.

[Ronson]

And here is a perfect example of your lack of reading skills. Go back and look through that post and find anywhere where I made any declarations about what news you watch.

Apply that to whatever sources you watch and it is no wonder you are being led by the nose ... whatever those sources are.

As for my comment in the other thread?m, you clearly didn't quite grasp that one either.

The Left is fixated with Fox, and the fact you keep mentioning them and ascribing them here is my point. Despite what you have claimed.