American Christianity�s White-Supremacy Problem

[Ronson]

Her intent is to clearly not only influence public opinion about the US election but sow discord among Americans based on lies about racism. If she were Russian or Chinese the word for that would be "foreign interference" on social media. I'm wondering what the difference is.

Interesting comparison. The only problem for her (here) is that her audience is too small and too formalized in their views to be swayed by her transparent attempts. If she is also charging around Facebook and Twitter with the same nonsense, then she would certainly rise to the level of foreign interference.

[Maranatha]

Do you actually read posts before you reply? Or do you just register the contributor's pseudonym and proceed to reply to what you think they have written?

Anti christians such as yourself are not difficult to grasp.

I enjoy the nightmare tales you spin, the silly conspiracies you follow. They show your inability to critically think through the many lies you peddle.

[Cow Poke]

Sorry, but simply "getting along" is not good enough. You must atone for the sins of white people who died long before you were even born. Giving a $100 bill and a heartfelt apology to every black person you meet is a good start.

How many of these self-righteous accusers have given their homes to a BLM family, as BLM is demanding?

[Mountain Man]

Some of us just live our lives and get along with those around us regardless of skin color.

Sorry, but simply "getting along" is not good enough. You must atone for the sins of white people who died long before you were even born. Giving a $100 bill and a heartfelt apology to every black person you meet is a good start.

[seer]

Are you in denial about white America's history of oppression towards black Americans?

Hey we did not put millions in ovens, I bet you have Nazi party members in your past relations...

[Cow Poke]

I like the logic here: If we are not guilty of promoting racism and white supremacy, it is no credit to us because then we are accused of merely attempting to "distance ourselves from a racist past". "Guilty until proven innocent" seems to be the name of the game for social justice warriors. Just remember, you can never, ever be proven innocent.

Some of us just live our lives and get along with those around us regardless of skin color.

[seanD]

Oh gee! An anti-American, anti-Christian post from HA, based on "research" from the New Yorker which she accepts without question.

Who'd have thunk it?

Her intent is to clearly not only influence public opinion about the US election but sow discord among Americans based on lies about racism. If she were Russian or Chinese the word for that would be "foreign interference" on social media. I'm wondering what the difference is.

[Mountain Man]

These remain facts despite the strenuous efforts of various white Christian leaders and churches in the past forty years or so to distance themselves from the racist past of white American Christianity.

I like the logic here: If we are not guilty of promoting racism and white supremacy, it is no credit to us because then we are accused of merely attempting to "distance ourselves from a racist past". "Guilty until proven innocent" seems to be the name of the game for social justice warriors. Just remember, you can never, ever be proven innocent.

[Cow Poke]

The good news is that, just over three years ago, the Southern Baptist Convention voted to denounce white supremacy and the alt-right movement. Baby steps, baby steps...

https://www.wglt.org/post/southern-b...-past#stream/0

Southern Baptist Pastor Confronts His Own, Church's Racial Past
June 22, 2017

The Southern Baptist Convention, one of the largest denominations in the country, voted recently to denounce white supremacy and the alt-right movement, but not without controversy.

Initially, church leaders tried to table the resolution, which was proposed by a prominent African American pastor. The vote proceeded, however, following a backlash from members who condemned the alt-right movement as a "growing menace" to society and recalled the Southern Baptists' painful history of promoting and sustaining slavery.

"Any 'church' that cannot denounce white supremacy without hesitancy and equivocation is a dead, Jesus-denying assembly," tweeted one African American Southern Baptist minister...

Wait, an AFRICAN AMERICAN BAPTIST MINISTER, who is a SOUTHERN BAPTIST?!?!?!?!?

You mean, us WHITE SUPREMACIST Southern Baptists allowed an AFRICAN AMERICAN MINISTER to be among our ranks? And he CHOSE TO BE Southern Baptist?????

[Mountain Man]

"She" did not make any "sweeping accusations against white Christians and implied that therefore, anybody who is white and Christian is guilty by default".

Okay, maybe you didn't directly, but the article you cited and commented on certainly did, and then you implied that anybody who disputes the claims is not sincerely concerned about the words of Jesus Christ being corrupted.

And now you do it again, insisting that the book "is discussing underlying attitudes of superiority and white supremacy that were and still are held by many white American Christians". It's a sweeping accusation that no individual can defend himself against, because if we deny it, then, as the theory goes, that just proves we're just part of the problem.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Yeah, she actually did. She made sweeping accusations against white Christians and implied that therefore, anybody who is white and Christian is guilty by default. She just dressed it up with a lot of quotes and self-serving commentary, but the end result is the same:

Good grief are some of you totally incapable of reading for comprehension?

"She" did not make any "sweeping accusations against white Christians and implied that therefore, anybody who is white and Christian is guilty by default". Nor did "she" dress it up with "a lot of quotes and self-serving commentary.

I quoted sections from an article and I gave a he link to the article so that anyone with a modicum of interest could read the full account for themselves.

Speaking personally, I am neither a racist nor a white supremacist, nobody in my immediate or extended family is a racist or a white supremacist, I've never personally known anybody who was a racist or white supremacist, and I have never attended or been a member of a church that promoted racism or white supremacy.

The article is not discussing white supremacists [although they do come into it]. It is discussing underlying attitudes of superiority and white supremacy that were and still are held by many white American Christians.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Yup... the opening post is nothing more than an elaborate kafkatrap, essentially asserting that white Christians are inherently guilty for no other reason than the fact that they're white and Christian, and any attempt to deny it will simply be taken as proof of guilt.

Did you read the OP and the article from which the quotes were taken? The point of Jones' book and the New Yorker article is that white Christianity in the USA has been entwined with white supremacy [not necessarily white supremacists]. The book also points out that while many Christians in the 1800s opposed and fought against slavery they were not prepared to give black Americans equality with white Americans. In the North churches remained largely segregated, and there were opponents to miscegenation.

Across America Christianity was used justify the inequality [and often oppression] of black Americans. Separate colleges had to be established for black students because white institutions would not admit them. Black students in 1957 who were legally trying to take their place at their local college in Little Rock were met with aggression and threats of violence.

Today surveys among white Christians find prejudices still existing towards black Americans and other racial minorities. These remain facts despite the strenuous efforts of various white Christian leaders and churches in the past forty years or so to distance themselves from the racist past of white American Christianity.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

So she is German? That explains a lot - projecting her own racist past on us.

Are you in denial about white America's history of oppression towards black Americans?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

I didn't miss any point. You brought up slavery of your own volition.

It appears you did not read the OP with full comprehension either. The title of this thread is taken from the article in the New Yorker magazine as are the various quotes in the OP, apart from those directly taken from Jones' book.

I posted the thread of my own volition because I thought this is a very topical and interesting subject - and Jones' book is worth reading. However, I did not bring "up slavery" of my "own volition" I introduced a thread that quoted from an article that examines the history of white American Christianity and white supremacy and that topic includes the history of slavery in the USA as well as the use of Christianity to defend and reinforce inequality and white domination.

Not a single person alive today had anything to do with slavery in the US.

The article is not solely about slavery, are you unable to comprehend that?

There ARE still people alive today that served in the Nazi regime.

That is an entirely irrelevant topic. As I have previously pointed out to you, Nazism was not a guiding principle that underpinned German society for over two hundred years, unlike white Christianity in the USA.

If the former need to 'apologize' for slavery

The Negro is different because God made him different to punish him.

Imagine a political candidate uttering those sentiments in public today!

Recent surveys have found that prejudices towards African Americans, other ethnic minorities [especially Muslims], and generally negative views of black Americans are still prevalent among white Christians. Hence Jones' rather disturbing observation that "the more racist attitudes a person holds, the more likely he or she is to identify as a white Christian. ,

[Mountain Man]

She didn't do that MM.