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How do you attempt to rationalise with the completely irrational?
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Last edited by seer; 07-28-2020, 03:07 PM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostTruth? Yes. Logical truths? I couldn't guess.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostWell, again, since I'm arguing that "logic" is how people interpret nature, or reality, then it doesn't apply to God. He has no need to interpret what He creates.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWhen I tried to do so, you reverted to "It's literally called the problem of natural evil, whether or not you consider it as such."
So when I strayed from the "problem of evil" you admonish me, but when I try to stick to it, under the Christian paradigm, you want to go outside for your replies. Damned if I do, and damned if I don't.
This is a waste of my time. You already conceded that the problem of evil is not a problem form the Christian point of view.
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo if the law of non-contradiction is not absolute then what you just wrote about could possibly mean its opposite. Most science would fail, and the laws of logic do not beak down at quantum level.
That means it would be subject to change.
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Originally posted by Watermelon View PostEverything breaks down at the quantum level.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostThat is not a premise. That is merely you stating your opinion.
More sophisticated thinkers have moved on to probabilistic versions of the argument (IOW, that the amount of evil makes it less likely that an omnibenevolent and omnipotent God exists). You should do the same....>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostThat response shows that you are not at all up to date with current thinking on the problem of evil, and thus not to be taken seriously on it as a topic. You're arguing a position that even atheists abandoned as undefensible quite some time ago. As several people have already pointed out. Leonhard and seer are correct, Epicurus' formulation is defeated by the premise seer (and others) put forward. The attempt at constructing a contradiction fails because there is an alternative possibility: that God has morally justifiable reasons for allowing evil.
More sophisticated thinkers have moved on to probabilistic versions of the argument (IOW, that the amount of evil makes it less likely that an omnibenevolent and omnipotent God exists). You should do the same.
I do not know from whence the following originates but it holds true. Philosophy is questions that may never answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostPlantinga and others have put forward their own philosophical arguments.
I do not know from whence the following originates but it holds true. Philosophy is questions that may never answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostOf course it is a premise, even if you don't call it a premise.
Furthermore, your third statement does not logically follow on from the two previous statements because we do not know what this greater eternal good might be, we can only surmise. I would also add that your employment of auxiliary verbs indicates a degree of uncertainty."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostA premise is generally accepted to be a statement within an argument that provides evidence or reasons to form a conclusion. Your comment does none of that.
Furthermore, your third statement does not logically follow on from the two previous statements because we do not know what this greater eternal good might be, we can only surmise. I would also add that your employment of auxiliary verbs indicates a degree of uncertainty.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostYou don't know that the the law of non-contradiction breaks down at that level, I suspect that we just don't know enough about the quantum world. If it does break down science would be impossible.
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Originally posted by seer View PostLike I said, I don't are whether you agree that it is a premise or not, it completely undermines Epicurus' logical argument. And my point does not depend on what the greater good actually is (though I did offer some ideas) as long as it is a logical possibility, which it is. I really thought you were brighter than this..."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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