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Originally posted by JimL View PostWell if it doesn't matter then your argument is kaput. The difference being is that morality, being relative to human beings and human society, our say so is based upon human reason.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI don't see how science can discover truth or reality if you can not trust the LONC to be absolute. Everything we think we know, in principle, can be completely wrong.
ps I'm going to try to stay away from this thread for a while. I seem to get more 500 errors when I'm working with the very long threads.
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Originally posted by Stoic View Posts I'm going to try to stay away from this thread for a while. I seem to get more 500 errors when I'm working with the very long threads.
At least, I know *I* have.
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim whose humans reason? The Stalinist, the Maoist? The Hutu?
You are not making sense. And we were not talking about morality or moral good as you said.
The question we were dealing with was why was our survival a good. And you have nothing but our say so.Last edited by JimL; 08-09-2020, 03:25 PM.
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Originally posted by Stoic View PostWhether or not we trust the LONC to be absolute, everything we think we know, in principle, can be completely wrong. But there are some beliefs we can have more confidence in than others.
ps I'm going to try to stay away from this thread for a while. I seem to get more 500 errors when I'm working with the very long threads.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWell we've kind of been talking about both because of your confusion concerning "good" and "moral good." We consider survival to be good in the same sense that we consider chocolate ice cream to be good, but neither has anything to do with morality or moral choices.
Yep, that's why survival is considered "good" because it is our desire to survive. It's also our desire to be healthy, to be happy, to not suffer physically or psychological. Morality is objective (good or evil) with respect to those common desires.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostYou wanted to mover from moral questions (which also relies on say so) so I accommodated you...
Thank you - based on our say so.Last edited by JimL; 08-09-2020, 03:44 PM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo I didn't, I was just explaining the difference to you between good and morally good.
It's also based on your say so, or do you consider it "good" to die, to be unhappy, to suffer physically or psychologically?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo you can't be certain that you exist?
So no.Last edited by Whateverman; 08-10-2020, 08:55 AM.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostSolipsism exists for a reason.
So no.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostAnd like I said what one considers good or morally good are both based on say so.
Right - say so! Thanks for making my point.
The only difference is that you can't deal with the idea that there is no ultimate reward or punishment for violating the rules of behavior. You're the reason why human beings created gods.(the fear factor)Last edited by JimL; 08-10-2020, 09:46 AM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWell, not exactly seer, morality is based on reason, not just any one persons say so. One can deny, or ignore reason in the same sense that you deny or ignore your objective standard/god.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWell in Solipsism, I believe, you can know that you exist, the only thing that is known to exist. But I would have to say that Solipsism is probably the most logically justifiable position.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNot necessarily, in solipsism there would only be a mind, not necessarily your mind, and all else would be the imagined productions within that mind.
solipsism
: a theory holding that the self can know nothing but its own modifications and that the self is the only existent thingAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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