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How do you attempt to rationalise with the completely irrational?
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by whag View PostYes, but remember that Trump promulgated birtherism among his base. Hillary used it as a desperate attempt to undo Obama, and Trump recognized the people in his base would eat it up even moreso.
Okay so moving on, here's the "deep state" conspiracy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_s..._United_States
And here's Trump promulgating the conspiracy with a dog whistle:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video...f86_video.html
Care to guess how many times Trump tweeted about the "deep state," which we can all apparently agree is a conspiracy theory?
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostConspiracy theories are comforting because they provide a neat explanation when things are spiraling out of control. And they're rhetorically difficult to dismiss out of hand because real conspiracies *have* occurred. (Some are easy to dismiss out of hand, like the Wayfair nonsense; that politicians are secretspace aliensLizard People, etc., but I mean categorically).
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by whag View PostOkay so moving on, here's the "deep state" conspiracy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_s..._United_States?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by seanD View Post"Deep state" means different things to different people. Rogue forces in the intelligence community is a well documented fact, and is not just a recent fact, there's a whole history.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYou know, when I said earlier that "I think there's more garbage than useful information to found on the information superhighway", Wikipedia was one of the sources I had in mind.
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Originally posted by whag View PostHow was I to know that or care given that you believed the Lucy fossil was a hoax?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by whag View PostExhibit B
https://www.allsides.com/news-source...ews-media-bias
"Vox media bias rating is Left.
Vox has a Left media bias. In Sept. 2018, the AllSides team conducted an extensive editorial review and decided to shift Vox from a Lean Left to a Left media bias rating."
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Originally posted by whag View PostTrump knows that his base eats up conspiracy theories like "birtherism" and "covid is a hoax." Therefore, when he says "deep state," he's not referring to the bipartisan belief that rogues exist in the intelligence community but in a CONSPiRACY THEORY. Hence Alex Jones and QAnon. That part of his base believes he is currently undoing a satanic cabal of pedophiles. My mom and sister believe that.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostExhibit C
https://www.allsides.com/news-source...ews-media-bias
"Vox media bias rating is Left.
Vox has a Left media bias. In Sept. 2018, the AllSides team conducted an extensive editorial review and decided to shift Vox from a Lean Left to a Left media bias rating."
https://www.breitbart.com/tag/deep-state/
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Originally posted by whag View PostI find it curious that you don't understand the phenomenon since both parties do it.
Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI just find it curious that liberals are apparently able to hear these "dog whistles" while nobody else can.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostYour wiki page lists basically two varieties of what "deep state" is. One is intelligence centered, the other seems to be wealthy elites corrupting politics centered. I think both are true. Like I said, intelligence corruption can be demonstrated from history, and I'm sure we all would agree that the political process is corrupt via wealthy donors and lobbyists. Trump is referencing the former when he says "deep state" in light of the FBI revelations during his term.
The FBI and CIA attempted to blackmail MLK with pictures of him in an adulterous affair. There is a difference between that and what Trump is trying to do with his deep state dog whistles.
Also, remember that he asked FBI for loyalty, which is not a good way to start one's presidency.
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