How do you attempt to rationalise with the completely irrational?

[seer]

Epicurus put forward his questions on the nature of god and the existence of evil and those have, as yet, never been adequately addressed by any theist.

What was that exactly?

[seer]

The above is too ludicrous. If this God is omniscient and omnipotent It knew what the Devil/Lucifer would do before It ever created the Devil/Lucifer.

Just like He knew you would do evil before He allowed you to come into existence.

[Cow Poke]

You're right inasmuch as God's "god-like" powers are vague in the sense that He created everything that there ever was but couldn't have created the earth and life through evolutionary means--a popular and seemingly irreconcilable Christian belief. On its face, that's a significant limit on God's powers.

I guess I'm the odd man out, cause I believe God is sovereign and could have created the universe in any manner He saw fit, and in any time frame He desired.

That being said, human beings have no power in relation to angelic power,

Oh,come now -- the Bible says we will judge the angels.

so "god-like" powers would stand as a sufficient simile compared to crude primates who have zero supernatural power.

Well, maybe, kinda sorta.

[Cow Poke]

The above is too ludicrous.....

Well, of course, that was your position starting out.

[Sparko]

Well, of course, that was your position starting out.

I'm shocked! An Atheist doesn't believe the bible?

[Cow Poke]

I'm shocked! An Atheist doesn't believe the bible?

The above is too ludicrous!

[seer]

The above is too ludicrous!

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[whag]

Crazy unhinged people? Like all those college kids trying to stop conservative speakers? I mean really, where are conservatives actually doing violence to stop others from speaking?

Consider the ratio of peaceful to violent protests, Now consider the ratio of "silent" anti-maskers to "death-threat issuing" anti-maskers. You'll find they're about the same on both sides, so get off your high horse. Society is screwed because of a few unhinged people.

If you don't like it, move to China.

[Cow Poke]

Consider the ratio of peaceful to violent protests, Now consider the ratio of "silent" anti-maskers to "death-threat issuing" anti-maskers. You'll find they're about the same on both sides, so get off your high horse. Society is screwed because of a few unhinged people.

If you don't like it, move to China.

The peaceful/violent protest line has been blurred to pretty much non-existent.

Why are "peaceful protesters" hanging around a riot zone?

Why are "peaceful protesters" only doing so at night?

Why are "peaceful protesters" blocking the police from dealing with the violent ones?

Why are "peaceful protesters" pretty much indistinguishable from the violent ones in the way they dress?

[seer]

Consider the ratio of peaceful to violent protests, Now consider the ratio of "silent" anti-maskers to "death-threat issuing" anti-maskers. You'll find they're about the same on both sides, so get off your high horse. Society is screwed because of a few unhinged people.

If you don't like it, move to China.

Nonsense, do you have any idea how many death threats people like Tucker Carlson get? So I will ask again, where are conservatives actually doing violence to stop others from speaking?

[mikewhitney]

What was that exactly?

One question arises from this. Do people wish that God destroys every one of us so that evil is stopped? Should God destroy every atheist for the evil of denying God?

The fourth option is that God created us and desires that we live, despite the evil we do. This is where God has created us with degrees of freedom that allow things to progress so we can live instead of just destroying things and starting over. I'm not surprised that Hypatia does not know this much.

[seer]

One question arises from this. Do people wish that God destroys every one of us so that evil is stopped? Should God destroy every atheist for the evil of denying God?

The fourth option is that God created us and desires that we live, despite the evil we do. This is where God has created us with degrees of freedom that allow things to progress so we can live instead of just destroying things and starting over. I'm not surprised that Hypatia does not know this much.

Right, but the state of evil is only temporary. Evil is allowed for a season, then it will be destroyed. The New Heavens and Earth will be evil free. A simple matter of timing.

So:

God is capable of stopping evil
He is willing to stop evil
God will stop evil

[Charles]

Well, of course, that was your position starting out.

It was well founded and you cut the reasoning out. Try again. Here it is:

The above is too ludicrous. If this God is omniscient and omnipotent It knew what the Devil/Lucifer would do before It ever created the Devil/Lucifer.

Nor is Satan in the Hebrew bible the same as your Christian "Devilevil

[whag]

The peaceful/violent protest line has been blurred to pretty much non-existent.

Why are "peaceful protesters" hanging around a riot zone?

That's not the right question, which is that most moderates are peaceful. The ratio of unhinged to hinged must be considered, was my point. Seer is given to self righteousness, so I had to remind him that extreme ideologies tend to be expressed with death threats and mob violence. I see very little difference, in terms of sin's magnitude, between the average ANTIFA protester and a troll telling Fauci he's going to kill Fauci and his family.

It's hard to argue these aren't two sides of the same coin and extremely rare.

Why are "peaceful protesters" only doing so at night?

I assume you're talking about autonomous zones in the U.S., all of which can be traced to disillusionment with a swampy system. No one party is to blame, as we just witnessed the largest betrayal of the poor and working class in the history of the U.S. by GOP and Dems. Even that doesn't scratch the surface of a corrupt money system that allows trillions of dollars to be fabricated only when the economy is on the verge of collapse. The unrest you see is largely an unconscious response provoked by both ideological extremes and has little to do with police brutality, though it was triggered by a brutal filmed act and many outrageous incidents of law enforcement abuse (which you've said is rooted in police union protection of corrupt officers).

Why are "peaceful protesters" blocking the police from dealing with the violent ones?

We're talking about three cities that each have their own explanation for their unrest. I'm not defending or condemning the unrest, given the socio-economic circumstances of each region.

That being said, the ratio of unhinged actors to hinged non-actors can't be ignored despite what social media, CNN, and FOX fear-mongering tells us.

Why are "peaceful protesters" pretty much indistinguishable from the violent ones in the way they dress?

Lemme get this straight, now you want me to discuss their attire? Who am I, Mr. Blackwell?

"Yet I tell you, not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these." Lk 12:27

[Cow Poke]

That's not the right question,

Of course it's not.

which is that most moderates are peaceful.

Absolutely. We're not talking about moderates - we're talking about the "peaceful protesters" our Tweb libs have been defending.

The ratio of unhinged to hinged must be considered, was my point.

Then I'll leave you to that.