Integrating Socialist ideas has worked well in the West

[seer]

So, you are still missing the fact that he is not talking about 100 percent socialism... Even though it is painfully obvious. Read the text next time, my friend.

I know he isn't, me and Star have had this conversation before. I just want to keep the horse before the cart.

[seer]

Social Democracy

Danish PM in US: Denmark is not socialist


https://www.thelocal.dk/20151101/dan...-not-socialist

[Leonhard]

Danish PM in US: Denmark is not socialist


https://www.thelocal.dk/20151101/dan...-not-socialist

That is perfectly true. We are social democrats.

[mikewhitney]

Any big changes to the US system should be out of discussion until we recover the economy from the cure we tried for coronavirus. This is not a time for debating 50 year old topics but rather for just getting back to normal. Especially problematic now is the divisions that have occurred. I'm listening to liberals bemoaning the leftist culture that is taking over (and the concern that the Democrat party will cater to these greater extremists).

[Leonhard]

Any big changes to the US system should be out of discussion until we recover the economy from the cure we tried for coronavirus. This is not a time for debating 50 year old topics but rather for just getting back to normal. Especially problematic now is the divisions that have occurred. I'm listening to liberals bemoaning the leftist culture that is taking over (and the concern that the Democrat party will cater to these greater extremists).

[mikewhitney]

I'm not into that style of music. It is too close to punk rock for me.

[seanD]

So, you are still missing the fact that he is not talking about 100 percent socialism... Even though it is painfully obvious. Read the text next time, my friend.

He's talking about a "mixed economy," something that the US already is, in fact, it's probably more socialist now than it's definitely been in like the last two decades as per its insane debt, yet we've had more sociopolitical conflict in that timeframe than ever before.

[Whateverman]

No, the important part is that none of it works without capitalism.

And capitalism doesn't work without socialism, either. Go talk to farmers and retirees if you think differently.

[seer]

And capitalism doesn't work without socialism, either. Go talk to farmers and retirees if you think differently.

Nonsense, we had capitalism without socialism for most of US history.

[Whateverman]

It's funny to me as to how long I've wanted to not like the Foo Fighters.

They're just too good, though ;)

[Whateverman]

Nonsense, we had capitalism without socialism for most of US history.

The last century is laughing at you.

Hard.

[seer]

The last century is laughing at you.

Hard.

What are you talking about? We had capitalism without socialism for most of US history. That is a fact.

[Thoughtful Monk]

...I note that in America, the president most heavily influenced by Socialists and who promoted many policies at the behest of Socialists, was FDR. His extremely popular and successful New Deal was massively influenced by socialist ideas. FDR remains one of the most popular presidents in US history to this day...

No, I don't think FDR is regarded as one of the most popular presidents in the US. He certainly was a very influential president but that doesn't make him popular. Also I think a lot of people would argue how successful the New Deal was. It certainly helped alleviate a bad time, much like the coronavirus aid is helping today. Certainly I would not characterize either one as extremely popular. As for the New Deal's success, I've read what really pulled us out of the Great Depression was World War II and all the military spending it required.

[Charles]

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...as-failed-them

[seanD]

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...as-failed-them

It's not so much folks don't know what socialism is, it's that they don't know what capitalism is. We longer have a free market capitalist system in the US. The remnants of capitalism we do have are taxed and regulated to the bone, and thus can barely survive. There definitely is an upper echelon wealthy class, a very small minority, that get bailouts when they fail, either from the government itself or the government through the central bank. Whatever America is -- most likely a neo-feudalism-type system -- it's not free market capitalism.