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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI have posted numerous well documented references.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou think I don't know this? Do you get some sadistic pleasure in in this?
Actually this post was more for Mike than you, because your responded to a chain of my posts to him. He questions the fatality records for COVID-19. Also in response to your sarcastic "new material."
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNo, I do not know what you specifically know about the COVID-19
HOWEVER --- I don't live hear Dallas, Houston or San Antonio, where the bulk of this is. SHEEEEESH, you gloom and doomers are MORBID!
Actually this post was more for Mike than you, because your responded to a chain of my posts to him. He questions the fatality records for COVID-19.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostCan you elaborate on this, please? In a different thread/forum if you prefer.
I technically am not someone who believes in a "purely materialist universe", but I'm often portrayed that way by theists - so I'm unsure if you're referring to atheists or not. In any case, if I assume that you are referring to someone like me, and if I accept that label for the sake of discussion - I don't see how the problem of evil exists for me. At all. My relationship with the universe is amoral, and as such, any evil or goodness I (or others) experience is a function of the contents of that universe: other people, nature, governments, laws, etc ad nauseum.
The only problem with evil is that it needs to be minimized, which is often difficult to do. This is also true for theists who believe in an omnimax deity - but that's not what's being referred to as "the problem of evil"Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou think I don't know this? Do you get some sadistic pleasure in in this?
That your participation, along with those of millions of others led astray by such misinformation, has cost hundreds of thousands of lives, and may well cost nearly a hundred thousand more?
Are you ready to don a mask yet and quit whining about it and lending support to those on this website that mock that simple effort at constraining spread of the virus?My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostGiven that your relationship with the universe is amoral, there should be no such thing as 'evil' or 'good'.
Good and evil still exist, though, and neither is difficult for me to attribute or explain: evil is the unnecessary causing of suffering in conscious creatures, and good is that which reduces evil. They cause no contradictions - which is what the problem of evil is: a contradiction.
Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIncidentally, if all that happens is a function of the contents of that universe, it is not possible to minimize 'evil' - that would require a change in the contents of that universe, which is unpossible.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostAre you ready to admit you've been wrong all along about the virus yet?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostGet help, Jim.
And it's not as if you didn't have a true friend trying day after day to get you to wake up to what you were doing.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostYou're the one that needs help CP.
You are an intelligent man
that has ignored all the numbers and the data
and jumped on a partisan band wagon of denial that has killed over 100,000 people.
And you are a person intelligent enough
And it's not as if you didn't have a true friend trying day after day to get you to wake up to what you were doing.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post[/cite]
Is there actual daily data available for Houston? Have you calculated this data against normal flu/influenza season?
When we do the calculations we find...
There's a population of 4,092,459 in Harris County (co.harris.tx.us) and we apply a .025% death rate for flu in a year) which gives 1023 expected deaths. This would be 6 per day during a six month flu season. The numbers reported are 603 deaths per the article (or 455 per the websiste https://harriscounty.maps.arcgis.com...5efcb7c07c6914 ). Currently 420-550 deaths could occur without reaching beyond the normal flu season level.
Please report back in panic when the number of deaths exceed 2000 in a season.
As to hospital loading, the typical situation for hospitals is to have most ICU beds occupied. One question is whether they are able to use chloroquine/zinc/azithromicin or Pulmicort for early treatment of the COVID patients. Also, we have not been provided the percent of ICU beds being used for COVID patients. So the numbers just promote panic without facts or details.Last edited by mikewhitney; 07-11-2020, 06:42 PM.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostAre you ready to admit you've been wrong all along about the virus yet? That you've been part of supporting idiotic ideas promoted by people approaching the issue from political and partisan wishful thinking rather that the hard science that has been available to anyone willing to look at it since March?
That your participation, along with those of millions of others led astray by such misinformation, has cost hundreds of thousands of lives, and may well cost nearly a hundred thousand more?
Are you ready to don a mask yet and quit whining about it and lending support to those on this website that mock that simple effort at constraining spread of the virus?
Also, can you explain how facts about coronavirus are political and partisan. I'm providing facts so that we don't fall into superstitious fear of the coronavirus. Do democrats prefer superstitious facts? Is that why state-provided facts are not acceptable?
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Originally posted by Whateverman View Post...with respect to the universe. Yes. The universe is incapable of committing or setting the standards for good and/or evil.
Good and evil still exist, though, and neither is difficult for me to attribute or explain: evil is the unnecessary causing of suffering in conscious creatures, and good is that which reduces evil. They cause no contradictions - which is what the problem of evil is: a contradiction.
I don't understand what you're saying here. In any case, though, there is no problem of evil in my worldviewVeritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostI just responded with facts and statistics on Harris County. So you can explain (again?) why a magical spike in deaths will occur.
Also, can you explain how facts about coronavirus are political and partisan. I'm providing facts so that we don't fall into superstitious fear of the coronavirus. Do democrats prefer superstitious facts? Is that why state-provided facts are not acceptable?
Why so much more? Because the 1 to 2% real morality we typically talk about is not the mortality of people symptomatic enough to need a test in the environment we have in the us. That is more like 5 % or more.
But some of that is changing and so I do not expect the peak from these 60000+ days to necessarily track 1-1 the 30000+ days in late march and april.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 07-11-2020, 08:17 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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