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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd, so far, I'm not finding otherwise. Still looking."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostI did when I first looked into them. She's routinely subjected to out of context quote mining.
Here's something she actually wrote which makes me amazed that Planned Parenthood can still issue the "Margaret Sanger Award"
MY WAY TO PEACE
Margaret Sanger
wowThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostI did when I first looked into them. She's routinely subjected to out of context quote mining.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, the only thing I can find regarding abortion - and it's never "abortion" - is "Birth Control", which includes, apparently, forced sterilization.
Here's something she actually wrote which makes me amazed that Planned Parenthood can still issue the "Margaret Sanger Award"
MY WAY TO PEACE...Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYou could have fun trolling liberals claiming that this is Trump's campaign platform, and let them meltdown in hysterics before revealing that it's actually the writing of one of the heroes of the left.
Last edited by seanD; 06-29-2020, 05:32 PM.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostDid she actually mention abortion in her writings? I know her basic premise was eliminating "the inferiors" so "the superiors" could thrive and society would be better off, though she was very cloaked when it came to specific races, unlike many of her 20th century colleagues who argued the same thing but were much more overt about the "inferior races." I suspect there were some shrewd eugenicists that were much more careful about the language they used so as not to spook societal and political support, not unlike many liberals today who have cleverly managed to turn it into a "female equality" issue.
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI'm certainly no fan of Sanger primarily because of her advocacy for eugenics but she did not favor abortion, in fact her big cause was making birth control available largely so people wouldn't go out and have abortions.
That she campaigned for birth-control as a way to prevent abortion is evidenced by the following handbill for her first clinic in English, Yiddish and Italian:
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For years Planned Parenthood was staunchly anti-abortion following in Sanger's footsteps but they did an outface in (IIRC) the 60s.
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Also, for anyone who wants a quick synopsis of the actual arguments made in the opinion and dissents without reading through all 100+ pages, SCOTUS Blog has, as usual, a good and neutral writeup:
https://www.scotusblog.com/2020/06/o...-abortion-law/
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostHere you go:
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostAnd my point was that I'd be against illegal action taken against them, and cannot support it."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostI believe we already established your... inconsistency on the matter w regard to criminal action taken against Nazis a few months back, no need to rehash the subject.
I don't get why you don't just say "Amen brother" and be on with it. There's no place in the Christian movement for those kinds of actions.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostDarth Ex, I do not support anti-abortion terrorism of any kind. There is also no parallel to freedom fighters.
I don't get why you don't just say "Amen brother" and be on with it. There's no place in the Christian movement for those kinds of actions."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostJust because it's causing you cognitive dissonance doesn't mean there is no parallel.
There is in fact a parallel, which is that both abortionists and Nazis were mass murderers, and if you think criminal action against one is justified then it logically follows that criminal action against the other is also justified.
Because the grossly inconsistent position you and others like you hold is doing damage to both Christianity and the pro life position.Last edited by Leonhard; 06-29-2020, 07:03 PM.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostPlease refrain from the ad hominem. I talk to you respectfully, and I would like you to treat me in kind.
The parallel is very thin, I made some arguments a long time ago on it. I remember arguing that the Christian case for freedom fighters and rebellion is difficult. At any rate I see no similarity between a vigilante in the US making committing a counter productive murder, or some freedom fighters blowing up a train track to stop tanks from reaching the front.
It's the hardcore abortion lovers that use the (extremely rare) violence against abortion providers as a bludgeon to guilt trip people like you into acting like you don't really care.
There is no inconsistency. I believe in the dignity of life. That includes the life of the doctors and women involved in this.
There is no state of war that anyone here are in, and the terrorists doing these actions are not soldiers of any flag, nor are they cooperating with any allies, seeking to aid that side in a war that would end in a few years.
This is silly and wrong. George Tiller for example was one of only 3 partial birth abortionists in the country. Killing him certainly reduced their number for a while. Training a doctor (even a fake one) takes a lot of time and resources.
Anyway, if you could be convinced that anti-abortion violence was effective and there was a Christian army who would liberate the world from liberal progressive hegemony in a few years would you support violence against them?"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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