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Russian Bounty on U.S. military in Afghanistan.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostShe figures it's better to shut up - or eventually be asked why SHE didn't know/do anything about it.
So, the Russians, who were already mad at us because we wiped out a bunch of their best people in Syria (because Trump loves Putin), supposedly put a bounty on the lives of Americans, who were in a proxy war with Russia anyway.
Bad things happen in war - this is no surprise at all.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by DivineBoob View PostHow can it simultaneously not be brought to anyone's attention but also have been brought to (according to you) Schiff and Pelosi's attention and appear in the PDB?
Face it, kiddo, you're chewing on a nothing burger here.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostFace it, kiddo, you'rechewing onsalivating for a nothing burger here.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostReading comprehension fail, huh? Rep. Stewart says it was presented to Nutsy Peliso and Shifty Schiff "in much the same form" as it was presented to the Commander in Chief. In other words, it was put into various reports for Washington leadership to read at their leisure, but it was basically a low priority back page item that nobody in the intelligence community considered credible enough to draw specific attention to.
Face it, kiddo, you're chewing on a nothing burger here.
Are you suggesting that *no one* who had this info available to them read through it to discover it? That just sounds implausible.
Regardless of all that, this is clearly no longer a low priority item since we already informed our allies yet it is still being ignored and called a 'hoax.' The scandal is both Trump's past failure to become aware of this info (if you believe that he never heard about it) and his current failure to act on it.
To call this a nothingburger is simply absurd.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostKeep hoping, brother. Keep hoping.
Even Pelosi has given up on this one!
Your eagerness to whitewash Trump's ongoing unwillingness to take steps to protect troops lives only testifies against yourself.
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Originally posted by DivineBoob View PostThat's not the same form as the PDB though.
And I'd love to see you back up your assertion that "The PDB is meant to be read from cover to cover every day." Tell me one president in the last 50-years who ever did that.
For the sake of comparison, Obama was infamous for skipping his daily verbal briefings, attending less than 50% of them throughout his presidency. Of course it was claimed that's because he read the briefings on his own on an iPad, but did he really? It doesn't seem so. For an entire year, Obama's PDB contained repeated, specific, and actionable warnings about the rise of ISIS. And yet Obama claimed to have been completely blindsided and blamed James Clapper for not telling him.
Contrast that with the present nothing burger where multiple persons have said on the record that the information about the Russian bounties was never considered credible, was never brought explicitly to the President's or anybody else's attention, and even today there is still significant disagreement about the veracity of the claims.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by DivineBoob View PostFrom this article it's clear Pelosi has hardly "given up on this one."
And she stated directly that this info was in Trump's PDB. Gross negligence is hardly a defense in this matter.
This scandal is not going to go away despite what the resident русские предатели want to claim.
You fell for it AGAIN! Come on, man, you can't possibly be that gullible!Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostSo you can't lay out a specific fact which I've put stock into which has turned out to be false?
The closest one I can think of is whether Trump actually became aware of this issue on February 27th or whether he didn't read his PDB on that day. That just makes this a scandal of a slightly different sort.
Your eagerness to whitewash Trump's ongoing unwillingness to take steps to protect troops lives only testifies against yourself.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhatever, Mr. Nitpick. "Any port in a storm" as the saying goes.
And I'd love to see you back up your assertion that "The PDB is meant to be read from cover to cover every day." Tell me one president in the last 50-years who ever did that.
I'm not going to respond to nonsense about Obama which has already been debunked. If the PDB isn't composed of information intended to be read from cover-to-cover every day then it's not serving its purpose. Any president who was routinely being given useless information in the PDB *ought to have* made staffing changes to correct that.
Contrast that with the present nothing burger where multiple persons have said on the record that the information about the Russian bounties was never considered credible, was never brought explicitly to the President's or anybody else's attention, and even today there is still significant disagreement about the veracity of the claims.
Let's say that the information was considered "salacious and unverified" at one point in time. Don't you think we should have chased it down and either proven or debunked it before asking Russia to rejoin the G7?
And to claim that the information was "never" considered credible is just a lie. It's considered credible *now*, at minimum.Last edited by DivineOb; 07-02-2020, 06:19 PM.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWell, we have, but you're so hate-filled toward Trump that you'll see what you want to see.
You're so full of crap it's not funny.
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