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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhat a profoundly ignorant statement. The problem with liberals is that it's always "not enough money". Amazing that you go straight for the "doesn't tax enough".
How do you know what our tax rate is?
How do you know where that money is spent?
How do you know......
But, it made you feel good, eh? That was probably all there was to it.
This, on so many levels, is just an incredibly ignorant post.
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostHelp me understand then.
What possible reason could there be to *not* reduce the danger to children,
both of death and of lifelong health issues, for a pro-lifer?
This isn't intended as a cheap shot (though you probably don't believe that).
Who cares what it would cost in the middle of an unprecedented pandemic?
Can you tell me HOW to do this correctly? Perhaps, put each child in a large rubber hamster ball with their own oxygen supply, and drive each one to school in a separate van?
People at the local level can't just print money. They have to look at what they can PRACTICALLY do with the finances available, for a reasonable expectation that there will actually be a good result.
So --- what, exactly, do you propose as the solution to the "opening schools" crisis?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI think that won't be pretty much impossible, because you have already made Olympian jumps to conclusions...
And the only way to do that is to TAX MORE?
And, there's that disingenuous "let's use this issue to attack a pro-lifer" nonsense.
I believe you are doing what liberals do. The public school system is already in a mess because of liberals, but liberals always go to the "tax more" "solution".
Can you tell me what the cost would be to do this correctly?
Can you tell me HOW to do this correctly? Perhaps, put each child in a large rubber hamster ball with their own oxygen supply, and drive each one to school in a separate van?
People at the local level can't just print money. They have to look at what they can PRACTICALLY do with the finances available, for a reasonable expectation that there will actually be a good result.
So --- what, exactly, do you propose as the solution to the "opening schools" crisis?
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostYou claim that I'm making assumptions that you aren't taxing enough....
Originally posted by DivineOb View PostIt just sounds tragic that you live somewhere which doesn't tax enough to provide even that minimal accommodation to child safety, even if it only helps a little. I mean, you're pro-life, right?
Perhaps you should have started with questions instead of ignorant accusations, along with the little "you're pro-life" comment.
Maybe you'd like to try again without jumping to conclusions?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostDon't get defensive.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhen ignorant attacks are made, I will respond.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI find it funny when "Don't be defensive" really means "Don't defend yourself against a false accusation".The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he wishes he had deleted that post. "TAX MORE" is not a solution, particularly when you don't know the problem.
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostYou said the problem was that the cost would be "outrageous."
Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post... Our school board is currently battling this, because the cost would be outrageous....
That was part of the school board's discussion. THAT part had to do with buying or contracting for more buses, hiring more drivers, having far fewer children on each bus than the bus is designed to carry.... And for what benefit?
The only way that is true is if you live in an extremely sparsely populated area or your taxes are way too lowThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNo, that's blantantly false. Please use the quote function, because I don't trust you to portray what I actually said, which was...
That was part of the school board's discussion. THAT part had to do with buying or contracting for more buses, hiring more drivers, having far fewer children on each bus than the bus is designed to carry.... And for what benefit?
That's really a dumb conclusion. I would expect this level of assumption to come from only one other poster on Tweb.
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostI honestly don't know how I misrepresented what you said.
I don't know. Ask the experts.
Ok. So is your issue that the cost would be "outrageous,"
that it would be "ineffective," or that it would be an "inefficient" use of resources?
In REAL LIFE, municipalities have budgets.
Those budgets are proposed and approved PRIOR to the year for which they are available.
The School District has a budget.
The Budget represents amounts of money they are allowed to spend, and IN those budgets, many of the categories are "specific use", and using them for things other than for what they are designated is illegal.
"Transportation" is a budget item.
In this case, the "Transportation budget" allows for the contract with the company that provides buses and drivers, training, operation, etc.
It's a fixed number.
ONE of the proposals was to double or quadruple the number of buses, and limit the number of children per bus.
Would that actually impact the likely hood that a child --- who we see are not generally a "target" of this virus --- would be LESS likely to contract COVID, or be "more safe"?
So, how exactly, would "TAX MORE" help that? It's just a dumb knee-jerk reaction from liberals. TAX MORE!!!!!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat's who was doing the debating, WITH the experts.
No, the school board's issue is that CERTAIN SUGGESTIONS would be "outrageous" expenditures. FAR too expensive to justify any expected outcome.
Here, lemme help you out a bit....
In REAL LIFE, municipalities have budgets.
Those budgets are proposed and approved PRIOR to the year for which they are available.
The School District has a budget.
The Budget represents amounts of money they are allowed to spend, and IN those budgets, many of the categories are "specific use", and using them for things other than for what they are designated is illegal.
"Transportation" is a budget item.
In this case, the "Transportation budget" allows for the contract with the company that provides buses and drivers, training, operation, etc.
It's a fixed number.
ONE of the proposals was to double or quadruple the number of buses, and limit the number of children per bus.
Would that actually impact the likely hood that a child --- who we see are not generally a "target" of this virus --- would be LESS likely to contract COVID, or be "more safe"?
So, how exactly, would "TAX MORE" help that? It's just a dumb knee-jerk reaction from liberals. TAX MORE!!!!!
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostSo what conclusion did the experts come to?
If the school board has the necessary scientific background to make that call then bully for them.
Fine, delete "tax more" and replace it with "pay for it" *IF* it would help.
If it wouldn't help, or would do less than providing masks / sanitizer / distance learning / whatever then do that instead. What was the scientific consensus on whether the bus issue would help?
That's why we vote for school board members - to help oversee the expenditure of tax money in the most expeditious manner, and to look out for the children of our districts.
Many times, this goes AGAINST the Teachers Unions, like where we have to pay out exorbitant sums of money because Miss Sally had an improper sexual relationship with Johnny, but we can't fire Miss Sally because she's "union".
The problem isn't TAX MORE --- the problem is "how do we best utilize our school budget money" to produce better students.
So, deleting "TAX MORE" and replacing it with "PAY FOR IT" only serves to beg the question, from whence does the "pay for it" money come?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWow. Maybe that should have been your first response!
Um.... and where does the "pay for it" money come from, without "tax more"?
In the real world, decisions, at least on a local level, need to be made on the basis of cost/benefit ratios.
That's why we vote for school board members - to help oversee the expenditure of tax money in the most expeditious manner, and to look out for the children of our districts.
Many times, this goes AGAINST the Teachers Unions, like where we have to pay out exorbitant sums of money because Miss Sally had an improper sexual relationship with Johnny, but we can't fire Miss Sally because she's "union".
The problem isn't TAX MORE --- the problem is "how do we best utilize our school budget money" to produce better students.
So, deleting "TAX MORE" and replacing it with "PAY FOR IT" only serves to beg the question, from whence does the "pay for it" money come?
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