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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim we have been over this before. God's law is grounded in His immutable moral character. And his law furthers His goal for mankind. Which generally is to love God and your fellow man. So yes He has reasons for His laws - to fulfill His purposes for mankind.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIf morals are to further gods goal, then the moral laws would necessarily be based on reason, and if by reason moral laws support the best interests of human society, then those morals need not be objectively grounded in an external source.
1. JimL believes the greater good for the greater number of people is the moral goal for a society.
2. The Maoist believes that the elite should dominate and control the masses, ensuring social cohesion for society, no matter the means - including murder.
So Jim why are you right and the Maoist wrong?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim with God there is an purpose, a purpose that is not dependent on what a man may or may not think or believe. There is a right way for men to be and act. Such an over all purpose does not exist in materialism. Look at it this way:
1. JimL believes the greater good for the greater number of people is the moral goal for a society.
2. The Maoist believes that the elite should dominate and control the masses, ensuring social cohesion for society, no matter the means - including murder.
So Jim why are you right and the Maoist wrong?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostBecause it isn't about what I believe or what Mao believes or what you believe. Would you agree that there could be a moral system that best suits the overall interests of human society even if imperfect people such as all of us, didn't understand that. People can always disagree, like your Satan apparently disagreed with heaven being perfect.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim again, of course it is about what you believe - you believe that overall interests of society is the greatest good, or goal. The Maoist believes that absolute control of the majority by the elite is the greatest good or goal. Both are opinions.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostCould what you believe be wrong, seer?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostOf course, but where was I off in the logic of my last post?
In short, if a best moral system can exist objectively then it can also exist subjectively.Last edited by JimL; 06-19-2020, 10:59 AM.
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