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Ahmaud Arbery; racist killing and attempted cover up.
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Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostYou didn't back up your claim. I expect you to cease spreading lies about me from here on.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostIt's my understanding that entering a property with intent to steal (i.e. then or at a later time) is a felony, which would then give legal grounds for a citizen's arrest........
It would be very difficult to prove "entering with intent to steal", even if something were subsequently stolen.
I don't think you'll find that term in any legal dictionary or any relevant codified ordinance.
Trespassing would not be a felony - it would usually be about a Class B Misdemeanor.
Observing somebody trespassing on somebody else's private property does not trigger a justification for arrest, citizen or otherwise, without authorization of the property ownerThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThe ONLY reason you guys are entertaining this is because that 'fellow' was black....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostStop lying about me, oxmixmudd.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post.....I have said I believe the way Arbery's character is attacked is due to racism on the part of those attacking him.....
Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThe ONLY reason you guys are entertaining this is because that 'fellow' was black.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIf I'm included in this ignorant sweeping false allegation, it's an outright lie, and I demand an apology.
The racism I believe is motivating this is not entirely conscious, but then again none of you is willing to consider how your culture and class may have conditioned you to think in a racist manner, so there is no way to bridge the gulf in thinking that drives this disagreement about the underlying racism driving the content of this thread.
Are you telling me I am not allowed to tell you what I believe to be true, just because you disagree?My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHow wash! This is what you said, exactly....
There was no "I believe....." - it was an outright accusation of racism, and now you're being blatantly dishonest about what you said.
As has been quoted many times on TWEB, to be a lie, the person must know what they are saying is false. I am absolutely sure what I am saying is true.
The problem here is effectively the same as if one has an uncle who is an alcoholic, and you say to that uncle "you are an alcoholic", and the uncle says " liar!"Last edited by oxmixmudd; 06-10-2020, 07:37 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostIt's not a lie CP, it s what I believe to be true.
I have made ZERO attacks on Arbery. NOTHING I said about him was because he is black.
You believe otherwise. We belive different things about what is causing the focus on arbery's character.
The racism I believe ....
Show a little bit of integrity and admit you were wrong to blatantly accuse me or anybody else of....
Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThe ONLY reason you guys are entertaining this is because that 'fellow' was black. And you would not be carrying on like this if the fellow was white. And that is what reality is. Deny it all you want, but that is what the reality is.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou didn't state it as a belief - you made a sweeping accusation, and I know that, with regards to me, it's false.
I have made ZERO attacks on Arbery. NOTHING I said about him was because he is black.
You made a false statement, then you lied about what you said.
You are SO CONSUMED with seeing everything as racism that it's destroying any credibility you have had.
Show a little bit of integrity and admit you were wrong to blatantly accuse me or anybody else of....
That's false. I would back off my accusation that it's a lie ONLY because I believe you are so consumed with racism that you actually believe this crap.
The problem CP is that you are not willing to even consider if why you are so strongly focused on those things that incriminate Arbery and excuse the shooter's might be some sort of racial thinking you are not entirely aware of.
why?
My credibility is established by my honesty and my commitment to the truth. These are emotional topics, and your reaction to my statements is purely emotional. This has nothing to do with truthbor credibility. It has to with the fact you are deeply offended by the fact I think there is a racial motivation behind the content in this thread.
Just like an alcoholic uncle would be if accused him of being an alcoholic.
All I have to offer in this case is the self evident reality that if Arbery were a white man, the chase would never have occurred.
so ask yourself, all other things being equal. Do you really believe the chase would have happened if arbery was a white man?Last edited by oxmixmudd; 06-10-2020, 07:54 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostYou are the one accusing me of lying, you are the one who has to back up your claim. I have not accused anyone of lying. I have said I believe the way Arbery's character is attacked is due to racism on the part of those attacking him. I believe that racism is not entirely conscious, that it is more just the way they have been taught to think per our culture. That is my belief. And I am not lying when I say that is what I believe is true.
Ok, then you're not lying, you're simply uttering falsehoods. You don't know anything of significance about me, my life, my experiences. You have no valid basis for judging my motivations and beliefs. On top of that you don't get to demand others back up their claims when you have from the very start of this topic personally attacked anyone who raises a fact - just for discussion - that you don't like. And filling this thread with your unsupported claims that others are racist, or supporting racism. I have tried to have a good faith discussion with you, but you - and it IS a pattern with you - resort to personal smears and veiled attacks on the morality of people when you can't support your position with facts.
I am telling you here that I am not racist. Therefore when you say that I am, you are stating 'an opinion' about me that you have no basis for, and one that I am telling you is false. You have no support for your opinion apart from that you are convinced of it. It's an uncalled for personal attack.
Now that we've done with the semantics, stop implying that I am a racist because I want to look at all the data. If I am a racist, then you are a race-baiter, provoking violence and hatred between the races in America. Now what?...>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostYes you are allowed to say that what I believe to be true is crap, and I would then not be correct to then call you a liar, because in all lijelyhood you do in fact believe that my veliefvis false.
That is a gutless accusation without substantiation.
The problem CP is that you are not willing to even consider if why you are so strongly focused on those things that incriminate Arvery and excuse the shooter's might be some sort of racial thinking you are not entirely aware of.
why?
The ONLY reason you guys are entertaining this is because that 'fellow' was black. And you would not be carrying on like this if the fellow was white. And that is what reality is. Deny it all you want, but that is what the reality is.
Is this how you approach climate science and corona virus discussions? NO WONDER nobody takes you seriously on that kind of stuff.
Jim, you have become a prophet of gloom and doom, a merchant of fear and a purveyor of false accusations.
You need help.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostMy credibility is established by my honesty and my commitment to the truth.
Your credibility is currently just above JimL's.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostOk, then you're not lying, you're simply uttering falsehoods. You don't know anything of significance about me, my life, my experiences. You have no valid basis for judging my motivations and beliefs. On top of that you don't get to demand others back up their claims when you have from the very start of this topic personally attacked anyone who raises a fact - just for discussion - that you don't like. And filling this thread with your unsupported claims that others are racist, or supporting racism. I have tried to have a good faith discussion with you, but you - and it IS a pattern with you - resort to personal smears and veiled attacks on the morality of people when you can't support your position with facts.
I am telling you here that I am not racist. Therefore when you say that I am, you are stating 'an opinion' about me that you have no basis for, and one that I am telling you is false. You have no support for your opinion apart from that you are convinced of it. It's an uncalled for personal attack.
Now that we've done with the semantics, stop implying that I am a racist because I want to look at all the data. If I am a racist, then you are a race-baiter, provoking violence and hatred between the races in America. Now what?
I'm saying it is possible to act and be motivated by racially motivated concepts and thoughts without being consciously aware of the fact that is what is happening.
I belive you when you declare "I am not racist". I believe that to the degree you understand what being racist is, you try to avoid being that.
I'm talking about elements you either dont know about, or you dismiss because the source of the information is itself a source you are biased against e g. A researcher who is 'liberal' politically.
And I have supported my claims. The simple fact the focus is on the victims flaws and not the shooters is evidence of racial bias. Especially given the absurdly aggressive actions taken by the shooters. The belief arbery was 'up to no good' expressed throughout the thread has no factual underpinnings. It rather was the innate - and well documented - fact that in our culture a black man doing something unexplained is far more likely to be seen as suspicious than a white man.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 06-10-2020, 08:23 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI see you added that after posting. Keep telling yourself that, Jim, while making sweeping UNFOUNDED false accusations.
Your credibility is currently just above JimL's.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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