Ahmaud Arbery; racist killing and attempted cover up.

[Mountain Man]

MM, you CAD! You NEVER criticize anybody for....

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nevermind.

Oh, don't you worry, I'm sure the peanut gallery will be along at any moment to misinterpret my saying that George Zimmerman "did nothing wrong in defending himself" to mean that Trayvon Martin deserved to die simply because he was black.

[Gondwanaland]

Some rather interesting stuff has come out in the Arbery case. Turns out, Mr "Jogging while black" had a long history of using "Oh I was jogging" to cover for scoping out places and stealing things. Indeed, in local convenience stores, he became notorious as 'the jogger' for going to convenience stores in jogging clothes, stretching and limbering up outside, and then going inside, grabbing something(s) and running out without paying.

From the court docs:

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[Gondwanaland]

Some rather interesting stuff has come out in the Arbery case. Turns out, Mr "Jogging while black" had a long history of using "Oh I was jogging" to cover for scoping out places and stealing things. Indeed, in local convenience stores, he became notorious as 'the jogger' for going to convenience stores in jogging clothes, stretching and limbering up outside, and then going inside, grabbing something(s) and running out without paying.

From the court docs:

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[rogue06]

The local media has gone dark on this story which typically means things are happening that don't support the narrative that they pushed and/or make their initial reporting look bad.

[Cow Poke]

Some rather interesting stuff has come out in the Arbery case. Turns out, Mr "Jogging while black" had a long history of using "Oh I was jogging" to cover for scoping out places and stealing things. Indeed, in local convenience stores, he became notorious as 'the jogger' for going to convenience stores in jogging clothes, stretching and limbering up outside, and then going inside, grabbing something(s) and running out without paying.

From the court docs:

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Which is why I insisted on waiting for actual courtroom testimony with witnesses under oath and subject to cross. Simply asking for that, however, makes one a racist, and "blaming the victim.

[oxmixmudd]

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And in the end, it doesn't matter. Because he was chased down and gunned down by vigilantes that did not have real access to this information. And even if they had, it still would not have been justified, and more importantly, if was white, would have never happened.

[rogue06]

And in the end, it doesn't matter. Because he was chased down and gunned down by vigilantes that did not have real access to this information. And even if they had, it still would not have been justified, and more importantly, if was white, would have never happened.

And you know this for a fact because...

[Cerebrum123]

And you know this for a fact because...

For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

Because anything done to a minority group by a majority group is racially motivated and therefor racist.

[Bill the Cat]

Well that didn't take long...

[Mountain Man]

Which is why I insisted on waiting for actual courtroom testimony with witnesses under oath and subject to cross. Simply asking for that, however, makes one a racist, and "blaming the victim.

And before the hand wringers enter the thread again, let me just say that no, these facts in and of themselves do not justify Arbury being shot. But the facts do give us some insight into his character and why he would attack someone armed with a shotgun.

Edit: Too late.

[oxmixmudd]

And you know this for a fact because...

1) because of the racial slur uttered by the shooter about him
2) because of the underlying racism still present in GA that fueled it.

Beyond that I'm not playing the racist game of "Prove the white men armed themselves and chased down and then shot and killed the black man running just because they thought he was up to no good are racist"

[oxmixmudd]

And before the hand wringers enter the thread again, let me just say that no, these facts in and of themselves do not justify Arbury being shot. But the facts do give us some insight into his character and why he would attack someone armed with a shotgun.

Edit: Too late.

Glad to know you recognize that. "in and of themselves" however is an unnecessary qualifier that casts shade on whether or not the killing was justified.

[oxmixmudd]

Well that didn't take long...

So is pointing out that this potential bit of news does not take away the racist element in the case is somehow 'over the top' ?

[Bill the Cat]

And before the hand wringers enter the thread again, let me just say that no, these facts in and of themselves do not justify Arbury being shot. But the facts do give us some insight into his character and why he would attack someone armed with a shotgun.

Edit: Too late.

It's like clockwork. As soon as I saw an update to this thread, I knew who exactly would come in making excuses on why allowed facts in a case aren't relevant, like they have legal expertise or something...

[rogue06]

1) because of the racial slur uttered by the shooter about him
2) because of the underlying racism still present in GA that fueled it.

Beyond that I'm not playing the racist game of "Prove the white men armed themselves and chased down and then shot and killed the black man running just because they thought he was up to no good are racist"

Nice to know that you think just because it happened in Georgia means it just must have been racist.