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Ahmaud Arbery; racist killing and attempted cover up.
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Originally posted by Chuckles View PostPerhaps the last part of your own sentence that you conveniently left out could be important in this context.... Is that why you did not include it?
Let me help. You said:
Emphasis mine.
Sometimes what you leave out says quite a lot too.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSo? The narrative that has built up around it is based on lies.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostAnd that video shows Ahmaud charging the truck and wrestling with the shooter before he's shot. So I have a feeling that at least one of the men will likely be charged with man slaughter instead of murder, and then, because the public has been charged up with false narratives, we'll have more racial tension because of it.Last edited by Leonhard; 05-13-2020, 04:47 PM.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI explained why your words do - in fact - justify these fellows in the first post in this exchange.
I didn't attempt to justify anything. I simply described the circumstances that led up to the altercation. I don't expect you to apologize.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by seanD View Postfirstfloor's objective with the thread is to sow political and racial discord, because that's what scumbag leftists like him love to do.
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostI always vote for who I think will be the best candidate to get the job done, but thanks to firstfloor and Jim L. and others like them, it will be a very long time for I vote for a Democrate again now that I know what they are really like.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostHave you considered hanging out in other forums. This is a very (sorry Sparko) right-wing forum, and almost unknown. There's a couple of leftists here, even a few leftist Christians (I'm one of them ). However JimL and firstfloor are mostly just here because they get a kick out of antagonistic posts. I suggest you head to Reddit, try the changemymind subreddit, or the AskLiberals, or AskFeminists, etc... I think you'll have a more stimulating experience."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostI don't care about the narrative. We have two vigilantes who shot someone without proper cause, manslaughter at least. You can try to spin it as much as you want, but at the end of the day, that's what it is.
There's also the question of whether or not the shooting was deliberate, or if it was an accidental discharge caused by the struggle. From what I can see in the video, the gun went off when Arbery grabbed the barrel and yanked it. If the other man's finger was on the trigger, that would have done it.Last edited by Mountain Man; 05-13-2020, 05:06 PM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostIf I based my voting based only on the overall behavior of people I ran into online, I would vote straight Democrat every time. (It's also a terrible reason to vote for anyone.)
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYou make it sound like they just walked up and shot him, which is the false narrative being promoted by the media.
He was running up the street, they get out and start shouting at him, one of them has a shotgun. We know at some point he tries to flee, and the person with the shotgun shot him.
They confronted him while armed, yes, but then he tried to wrestle a gun away from the men. At that point, it became a matter of life or death.
There's also the question of whether or not the shooting was deliberate, or if it was an accidental discharge caused by the struggle. From what I can see in the video, the gun went off when Arbery grabbed the barrel of and yanked it. If the other man's finger was on the trigger, that would have done it.
I know you like disagreeing with the media, but there's just no defending this one. They were hunting him.
Manslaughter at least, but hopefully we'll have more justice and both of them get to spend the rest of their lives in prison on murder charges.
Then there's the matter of why this case somehow got to wait 76 days. We haven't heard a good explanation yet.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThe neighborhood in question was ten-miles from his home, and he had cased the place at night on multiple occasions.
Third, he was shot as a direct result of his own aggressive actions.
I'm not saying he deserved to be shot, or that the guys were necessarily right to approach him while armed, or any nonsense like,
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostThey pursued and followed him without cause. Then they attempted a clumsy citizens arrest against the law. They had no control of the situation, and he wanted out of it. He did not attack him, they did. That's pretty much what happened. What we see in the video is very clearly him trying to escape while they're gunning for him in the truck.
He was running up the street, they get out and start shouting at him, one of them has a shotgun. We know at some point he tries to flee, and the person with the shotgun shot him.
It's very hard to square what happened with rational people in control of the situation. They were clearly waiting for him, and he was very clearly trying to escape the situation. Feeling threatened, which they had no reason to feel, is not just cause to just kill him, which is what they did.
From what I can tell they were the ones hunting him. They were the engagers, he wasn't. There's the whole testimony of his friend you're conveniently leaving out. He rounded the corner of the front of the truck, but you can't claim "stand your ground" if you intentionally placed yourself in a confronting situation in a public area. They were trying to pull off a stupid citizen's arrest.
I know you like disagreeing with the media, but there's just no defending this one. They were hunting him.
Manslaughter at least, but hopefully we'll have more justice and both of them get to spend the rest of their lives in prison on murder charges.
Then there's the matter of why this case somehow got to wait 76 days. We haven't heard a good explanation yet.
I personally don't have an opinion one way or the other since I don't have all the facts, and I don't know what laws come into play. I think we all need to keep an open mind and not rush to judgement.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Stefan Molyneux has a good video that goes into all the currently known background of the case. I think he's fair and objective about this.
A couple of points that seem relevant from Molyneux's video:
It seems Georgia law requires visible carry of a long gun / shotgun. Hence the younger man holding (not pointing or aiming) the gun
The younger man had a handgun stolen from his car, parked outside his house. (--> Concern about thieves in the neighbourhood possibly being armed)
Arbery was (possibly?) known to the senior McMichael as a criminal due to previous involvement (McMichael being a cop).
It seems that they were legally making a citizen's arrest, and were aware of the law around that (police background).
Other thoughts:
Arbery should never have been in the house under construction - it wasn't his property, and he had no legitimate reason to enter it. He committed criminal trespass in doing so.
When he saw that someone had seen him enter and leave the house (and was on their phone), he ran off. Not illegal or 'wrong', but makes him look suspicious.
He initiated the fatal incident by approaching the truck, suddenly cutting across to where the younger man was standing, punching him and trying to wrestle the gun from him. He had lots of other choices, but he chose a very dangerous one - moving in and attacking someone holding a gun.
This happened in America - please don't import your expectations of how people should act from your country. It's not the same situation at all. At home I would never expect anyone to be armed with a gun. Even the police don't usually carry all the time. There is no law allowing any civilian to carry a gun in the streets, and shootings are very rare.
America - anyone anywhere could have a gun / handgun, legally or not. --> It is foolish and dangerous to initiate a physical confrontation with someone in America. They might have a gun, and shoot you (in legitimate self defense or otherwise). Don't start fights....>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...
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