Lab Leak: The conspiracy theory is shaping up to look like real possibility

[Cow Poke]

The thread has drifted into the name calling mudslinging pig sti.

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I watched the video, and it remains hypothetical, and circumstantial evidence does not stand the test of evidence. There is no record of lab personnel getting the virus early, The consumption of the wild animals and the transmission of coronaviruses to humans has a long history. This one just started a pandemic.

The genetic research publications I presented are based on science, and the conclusions are most likely natural origins. The most likely animal has matching DNA and is sold and consumed in Wuhan via the Wuhan market.

Statement form the administration:

Source: https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/493083-us-officials-investigating-whether-coronavirus-originated-in-chinese

The theory, which has not yet been corroborated, is reportedly one of multiple possibilities the U.S. is investigating.

The latest developments come days after the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Army Gen. Mark Milley, told reporters that the U.S. intelligence community was taking "a hard look" at the theory.

"I would just say, at this point, it's inconclusive, although the weight of evidence seems to indicate natural [origin]. But we don't know for certain," he said, referring to the likelihood that the virus originated naturally, rather than in a lab setting.

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[seanD]

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I watched the video, and it remains hypothetical, and circumstantial evidence does not stand the test of evidence. There is no record of lab personnel getting the virus early, The consumption of the wild animals and the transmission of coronaviruses to humans has a long history. This one just started a pandemic.

The genetic research publications I presented are based on science, and the conclusions are most likely natural origins. The most likely animal has matching DNA and is sold and consumed in Wuhan via the Wuhan market.

Statement form the administration:

Source: https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/493083-us-officials-investigating-whether-coronavirus-originated-in-chinese

The theory, which has not yet been corroborated, is reportedly one of multiple possibilities the U.S. is investigating.

The latest developments come days after the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Army Gen. Mark Milley, told reporters that the U.S. intelligence community was taking "a hard look" at the theory.

"I would just say, at this point, it's inconclusive, although the weight of evidence seems to indicate natural [origin]. But we don't know for certain," he said, referring to the likelihood that the virus originated naturally, rather than in a lab setting.

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Just out of curiosity, and this is a legit question because I honestly don't know, but has the direct transfer of a virus from a animal (mammal) to a human actually been demonstrated -- like in a controlled research lab under direct observation? And if so, can someone direct me to that study? Every time I come across material about this subject, it always seems to be based on theory.

[shunyadragon]

Just out of curiosity, and this is a legit question because I honestly don't know, but has the direct transfer of a virus from a animal (mammal) to a human actually been demonstrated.

It is common for viruses to migrate from host to host within the animal kingdom including humans naturally. Bird and swine flues are direct transfers from animals to humans naturally.


[quote] -- like in a controlled research lab under direct observation? And if so, can someone direct me to that study? Every time I come across material about this subject, it

always seems to be based on theory.

Yes, lab workers have been contaminated by viruses and got sick before, but this is the same process of transfer anywhere. As far as deliberate transfer in the lab it is possible, but hypothetical with no evidence of this happening at present in the Wuhan lab.

[seanD]

[QUOTE=shunyadragon;729806]It is common for viruses to migrate from host to host within the animal kingdom including humans naturally. Bird and swine flues are direct transfers from animals to humans naturally.

-- like in a controlled research lab under direct observation? And if so, can someone direct me to that study? Every time I come across material about this subject, it

Yes, lab workers have been contaminated by viruses and got sick before, but this is the same process of transfer anywhere. As far as deliberate transfer in the lab it is possible, but hypothetical with no evidence of this happening at present in the Wuhan lab.

Can you cite the study where virus cross-species of mammals (from animal to human) was observed? That's what I'm asking.

[One Bad Pig]

As easily as I can recognize the dishonesty behind a quote mine. Howzbout you, piglet?

Not sure what quote mining has to do with the price of tea in ...China here.

[Cow Poke]

Cowpoke truncated the post. It was dishonest. But since CP is a "good" Christian, it is excused.

Ummmm..... CP properly used the quote function, hyperlink intact, so anybody who wanted to see what was said "in full" can simply click there.

[Starlight]

Just out of curiosity, and this is a legit question because I honestly don't know, but has the direct transfer of a virus from a animal (mammal) to a human actually been demonstrated -- like in a controlled research lab under direct observation? And if so, can someone direct me to that study? Every time I come across material about this subject, it always seems to be based on theory.

This is called Zoonosis (article is worth reading) and it's a very common phenomena (~61% of human diseases come from animals).

It happens frequently to farmers dealing with livestock (even in developed countries) when the animals catch one of the many, many, diseases that are transmissible to humans and which the farmers then themselves catch. The vast majority of the time this happens, that disease is not transmissible from human to human.

An example of a zoonotic you will be familiar with is Rabies, where a dog or other infected animal, bites a human, and passes Rabies to them by doing so.

[shunyadragon]

Can you cite the study where virus cross-species of mammals (from animal to human) was observed? That's what I'm asking.

I am not sure what you call observed. The closest is they have followed flus in recent history, and found the same genetic match in the animal of origin as found in humans, such as bird and swine flus, and have followed the host to host transfer of the viruses. It is part of the way they develop vaccines. As in China they have developed the closest match as the coronavirus found in the Pangolin. There are other in fact, many different coronaviruses, in the animals and humans, but this is the only close match. This is the same as following viruses in human populations.

This an example of one of many research on specific transmission:

Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4550509/

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Animal models for influenza virus transmission studies: A historical perspective

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[EvoUK]

I am not sure what you call observed. The closest is they have followed flus in recent history, and found the same genetic match in the animal of origin as found in humans, such as bird and swine flus, and have followed the host to host transfer of the viruses. It is part of the way they develop vaccines. As in China they have developed the closest match as the coronavirus found in the Pangolin. There are other in fact, many different coronaviruses, in the animals and humans, but this is the only close match. This is the same as following viruses in human populations.

This an example of one of many research on specific transmission:

Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4550509/

go for it
Animal models for influenza virus transmission studies: A historical perspective

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Am I the only one who dislikes a quoted wall of text from any poster on any given subject? More so if some ass then quotes the whole thing and only responds with only a small paragraph of a reply or less that barely touches on the topic?

[Starlight]

Am I the only one who dislikes a quoted wall of text from any poster on any given subject? More so if some ass then quotes the whole thing and only responds with only a small paragraph of a reply or less that barely touches on the topic?

Is that an ironic self-description of your post?

[simplicio]

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It is common for viruses to migrate from host to host within the animal kingdom including humans naturally. Bird and swine flues are direct transfers from animals to humans naturally.




Can you cite the study where virus cross-species of mammals (from animal to human) was observed? That's what I'm asking.

I am not aware of any study on covid-19, but it is felt to be a zoonotic disease, one that has passed from animals to humans. Other corona viruses are zoonotic such as the SARS epidemic. The same virus is shed into the air from an animal, and animals and humans can be infected. Not sure if any studies are actually needed. flu and corinaviruses have made the species jump. This current CoV-2 has jumped species. It is in pangolins and a few bat species in the wild.

The USDA and CDC catalogs flu viruses is this nation's swine herd and poultry flocks to track potential human flu sources. some virus do not jump species, others do. The genetic sequences form a trail of sorts, allowing scientists to determine parent strains, and when and where mutations happened.

[EvoUK]

Is that an ironic self-description of your post?

Well I thought it was funny...

[shunyadragon]

Am I the only one who dislikes a quoted wall of text from any poster on any given subject? More so if some ass then quotes the whole thing and only responds with only a small paragraph of a reply or less that barely touches on the topic?

Citing the whole text, and it does fit Tweb text limits gives Twebers the option of reading the whole thing, or reading the abstract and introduction and/or the conclusions, which is most of this short article, or just skimming it.

seanD asked a question about specific evidence for the transmission of viruses from animals to humans, I gave him the brief answer, and he was not satisfied, therefore I provided the article. There are actually many articles.

[simplicio]

Bioresearch lab or a woman's ummm, privates. Snopes and other fact check have it. It is a satire piece which made the rounds as fact, and then debunked.

[shunyadragon]

[QUOTE=simplicio;729889]

I am not aware of any study on covid-19, but it is felt to be a zoonotic disease, one that has passed from animals to humans. Other corona viruses are zoonotic such as the SARS epidemic. The same virus is shed into the air from an animal, and animals and humans can be infected. Not sure if any studies are actually needed. flu and corinaviruses have made the species jump. This current CoV-2 has jumped species. It is in pangolins and a few bat species in the wild.

The USDA and CDC catalogs flu viruses is this nation's swine herd and poultry flocks to track potential human flu sources. some virus do not jump species, others do. The genetic sequences form a trail of sorts, allowing scientists to determine parent strains, and when and where mutations happened.

I am aware of genetic research in the past and transmission of host to host of coronaviruses, but OCVAG-19 is new. It is generally accepted all these viruses jump from host to host including humans. as flus do.